A Critical Perspective on Psychedelic Use

[zurew]

35 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm just speaking my mind. The option is speaking what I think I know, or not speak. I'm not saying "this is ultimately true". I'm not doing that game. Maybe you're used to bowing to that game, I'm not, not anymore.

Its insane that some people cant recognize and track the fact that what you are saying isn't always sensitive to empirical critcism (in this case to the content of the given awakening) because its a definitional issue.

Its like saying "I discovered in my new awakening that there are married bachelors" - for you to recognize that that statement is incoherent, you dont need to know the content or the profoundness of said awakening.

It always comes back to the same shit - its either the case that he is contradicting himself and he is conceptually confused regardless how profound the awakening was or it is the case that he is using the terms differently in which case his statement means something completely different and he is talking about something related to Maya.

[Oppositionless]

@Oeaohoo the part I didn't like was when he said he damaged himself so much that he would pay for it in the next life. And the implication we can offend God "breaking into the inner sanctum". Both of those points just seem like some dualistic nonsense to me. The point about fetishizing experiences over truth / insight is completely valid.
 

I also don't see the distinction, ultimately, between maya and God. The insights I've had, and I'm not saying this must be the case, is that every experience , structure and modulation of consciousness has always existed and will always exist, and that if you removed even a single grain of sand the entire reality would instantly cease to exist. Distinguishing them might be part of the journey to liberation but it's not ultimately true.

I personally got nondual insight from my own experience which I thought was eerily similar to Leo's alien consciousness. Essentially my consciousness was slowly but surely replaced by that of another being (this was my only ever "bad trip"). It was a horrifying dive into insanity and loss of control, but I came out the other side with a deep understanding of the illusion of self. This was before my true nondual experiences but I feel in a way it paved the ground for those.

also, I want to apologize if I come across as a dick. That's not the intention.

Edited 1 hour ago by Oppositionless

[Joseph Maynor]

I don't think Leo has explained Alien Awakening yet, am I wrong?

[Oppositionless]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I don't think Leo has explained Alien Awakening yet, am I wrong?

No he hasn't but when it happened to me I just instantly recognized that this seems like alien awakening, I mean I truly felt like I became a different being. But Leo could mean something different .

Edited 2 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Yeah, I think this is huge, maybe leo is not seeking liberation.

This has been abundantly clear to me for years. I'm just reminding myself from a different angle:

He even admits it himself that he is not ready to let go of his limited identity, that he likes using his mind, that "understanding" is his game. Yet it's couched in "awakening" language. I've explained why that is.