Democrats should run a scorched-earth message on the media environment!

[Cred]

@Ulax Everything you just said is exactly true. This is what marxism-leninism. (ML) is. This is why the current system in China is so different from that of the UDSSR. It's because, unlike liberals who keep starting war after war, MLs learn from their mistakes. Being a real communist does not mean to expect everybody to run and dance around in a chocolate world like the oompa-loompas directly after the revolution. It means to understand that after the revolution, there is a teeth-grinding and bloody war to be fought against liberalism, the rich and their allies.

This death toll, while tragic, is nothing compared to the death toll of capitalism. Comparing capitalism to the revolution is a bit like comparing coal energy with nuclear energy. Sure, the deaths from nuclear accidents are tragic, but the facts say that coal has a death toll that is more than two orders of magnitude bigger than that of the less insidious nuclear energy.

[Cred]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Mamdani got voted in without having to resort to violence. You really want to take on the army ?

Mamdani is not a communist. He is not even a leftist. He is a liberal. Since elections can easily be bought in liberal societies, every positive change Mamdani makes will eventually be reversed by rich conservatives.

The only lasting positive change Mamdani can make with his actions, is to make people aware that the system is working against them. 

[Kid A]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

When comparing the us to china, it is important to acknowledge that china used to be a developing country just 20 years ago. The fact that they even are at a place comparible to the us is astonishing and a miracle in and of itself.

100%

Even though it may be uncomfortable to admit, we in the West probably have a lot to learn from China.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

Mamdani is not a communist. He is not even a leftist. He is a liberal. Since elections can easily be bought in liberal societies, every positive change Mamdani makes will eventually be reversed by rich conservatives.

The only lasting positive change Mamdani can make with his actions, is to make people aware that the system is working against them. 

Thank you, please educate these on here calling Mamdani and Sanders "Socialists". They don't believe me since I'm a liberal.

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[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

Mamdani is not a communist. He is not even a leftist. He is a liberal. Since elections can easily be bought in liberal societies, every positive change Mamdani makes will eventually be reversed by rich conservatives.

The only lasting positive change Mamdani can make with his actions, is to make people aware that the system is working against them. 

And what lasting change will you bring through violence ?

[Wilhelm44]

I dont think you really want to take on the army.

[Elliott]

22 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I dont think you really want to take on the army.

The army is the people, not the Bourgeoisie. You have to just educate them.

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[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

The army is the people, not the bourgeious. You have to just educate them.

Well it sounds like @Cred wants to violently overthrow the current government. Which means people will get slaughtered just like in Iran.

[Elliott]

13 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Well it sounds like @Cred wants to violently overthrow the current government. Which means people will get slaughtered just like in Iran.

Socialusts want to kill the Bourgeoisie, round them up and publicly execute.

Iran is protesting and rioting. Think French Revolution.

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[Wilhelm44]

12 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Socialusts want to kill the Bourgeoisie, round them up and publicly execute.

Iran is protesting and rioting, think French Revolution.

And who's going to be in charge after they kill all the Bourgeoise. Who is the leader of these Socialists ?

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[Wilhelm44]

@Elliott Rounding up and killing people, sounds like very similar energy to ICE. These socialists need to be careful not to become like the very thing they despise.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

And who's going to be in charge after they kill all the Bourgeoise. Who is the leader of these Socialists ?

The people. Everything would be ran at the lowest level possible, towns would run most things.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Elliott Rounding up and killing people, sounds like very similar energy to ICE. These socialists need to be careful not to become like the very thing they despise.

Have you heard of Luigi Mangione?

[Wilhelm44]

30 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Have you heard of Luigi Mangione?

The thing is, what will prevent more violent uprisings from dismantling this new socialist utopia ? ie violent uprisings from people who dont like socialism.

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[Wilhelm44]

I prefer a balance of capitalism and socialism, through fair elections. Towns and cities and govern themselves, but there still needs to be some national and international coordination.

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

The thing is, what will prevent more violent uprisings from dismantling this new socialist utopia ? ie violent uprisings from people who dont like socialism.

Prosperity for all.

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I prefer a balance of capitalism and socialism, through fair elections. 

There's no such thing as balance between capitalism and socialism, that's capitalism. I'm a capitalist by the way.

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Towns and cities and govern themselves, but there still needs to be some national and international coordination.

There is in socialism

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[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Elliott said:

Prosperity for all.

What's the socialist plan in that regard ?

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What's the socialist plan in that regard ?

Every person is given what they need.

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Elliott said:

Every person is given what they need.

That doesnt sound like prosperity lol