Schahin

How big is the Israel-Genocide topic in your country?

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So dear community

I live in Germany and here the debate about it and the discussion about the genocide is almost non-existent. The politicians and many of the common people fiercely support Israel unconditionally. The Government sends dangerous and murderous weapons to Israel continuasly only with a small break of 2 months in the last year.

It blocks all kinds of sanctions in the Parliament even the most pathetic ones, like a label obligation for agricultural products that come from illegal settlements in the West Bank. Germany is the overpowering Vote in the EU-Parliament that hinders any kind of punishment to the Israeli Government and they do so very proudly , saying that its only the Palestinians Fault that the Genocide happened. I dont say everybody is of that opinion, but unfortunately almost all parties or on that side of theme, except The Left Party and the BSW (who is unfortunately Pro-Russia).

The Germans try to transfer the guilt of their ancestors who tried to exterminat the Jews to the Palestinian, its like their first opportunity to get rid of the guilt, so they demean everybody an Antisemitic who criticizes the Genocide. Again, its not all of them, there are many reasonable people here but its the dominating Energy

How is the Situation in your country?

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U.S.

We call Germany nazi because they criminalize criticizing Israel for murdering Palestinians. 

We have regular protests here against the atrocity, and political commentators regularly discuss it.

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42 minutes ago, Elliott said:

U.S.

We call Germany nazi because they criminalize criticizing Israel for murdering Palestinians. 

We have regular protests here against the atrocity, and political commentators regularly discuss it.

Here they literally silence it, they dont talk about it at all on Television, just once a month there is a documentary at midnight, when everybody is asleep.

It's unbelievable. And whenever it comes up its about the Hamas Terrorists, they try to handle the debate one-sidedly in an extreme way.

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12 minutes ago, Schahin said:

Here they literally silence it, they dont talk about it at all on Television, just once a month there is a documentary at midnight, when everybody is asleep.

It's unbelievable. And whenever it comes up its about the Hamas Terrorists, they try to handle the debate one-sidedly in an extreme way.

I've seen videos of police threatening to arrest people in Germany for complaining about Israel in public, not Judaism.

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Are you sure? This poll found disapproval of israel increased in Germany in the last two years.

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Netanyahu's far-right government caused terrible consequences in Gaza, though the definition of genocide is highly controversial, and that term is wrong here in my view.

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It's not really opposed much in my country; our politicians are good little goyos regardless of their affiliation


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4 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Netanyahu's far-right government caused terrible consequences in Gaza, though the definition of genocide is highly controversial, and that term is wrong here in my view.

We call it genocide if populations are being killed because of their ethnicity.

For example, Hitler initially ordered all jews to leave Europe, Germany is actually who created modern Israel, for this purpose(though it was british territory). He later killed those that didn't leave.

Native Americans were told to leave to a reservation, those that didn't, genocide. Not overtly, but slightly subtly.

The current genocide in Palestine is a continuation from Europe's first settlement there.

I'm not going to discuss this further, if you feel the need to reply.

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6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Netanyahu's far-right government caused terrible consequences in Gaza, though the definition of genocide is highly controversial, and that term is wrong here in my view.

If not proper genocide we can agree it is at least ethnic cleansing attempt which is pretty awful still

I notice people seem to think something is "not that bad" if it is not a genocide

Israel has attempted ethnic cleansing and done tons of wars crimes, that much is pretty evident at this point

What a lot of people that jumped into this wagon miss, is that there was already an insane amount of dehuminization and hatred from Israelis towards Palestinians before 2023

The previous conflicts involving Gaza were extremly brutal and full of war crimes too

Not to mention the West Bank settlmenet terrorism and an overall distain I see many in Israel (especially in military and government) have towards Palestinians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/17/israeli-general-aharon-haliva-palestinians-7-october-gaza

This sort of attitude created what is now Gaza

You would not have this attitude if for example Iraq attacked the USA

This is a long going tree of hatred that has been growing for decades and this is the output

It is especially mind blowing to me when I see in interviews in Israel people who are overall pretty Stage Green suddendly say hardcore Blue stuff

One interview the guy was like "Yes we like all people, all races, animals etc" but Palestinians should die or be kicked out"

I am sure if I went there as an European agnostic even though I am not Jewish I would be treated well and everything

Yet for Palestinians specifically their morality seems to greatly devolve to a super harsh toxic Blue

It is very interesting to observe.

Note: I am not saying every Israeli wants Palestinians dead or gone, I am saying that I have seen examples where people that otherwise seem pretty evolved suddendly flip. If a hardcore illegal settler for example says to kickout all Palestinians it is not suprising because he is a very stage Blue conformist person and that behavior is to be expected from him. What is suprising is when I see people who normally would be classified at Orange or even Green make such statements. 

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I think nobody should have STRONG opinions unless they have read 5 books on the topic. 

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22 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

 

It is especially mind blowing to me when I see in interviews in Israel people who are overall pretty Stage Green suddendly say hardcore Blue stuff

One interview the guy was like "Yes we like all people, all races, animals etc" but Palestinians should die or be kicked out"

 

It's the norm. Stage blue people have forever regurgitated "Stage green" views, yet live in complete contradiction. See Jesus' teachings, then see the entire history of the church; The Crusades, slavery, racism, nationalism,..... They just mindlessly repeat things, they only know what to say, not what it actually means.

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13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's the norm. Stage blue people have forever regurgitated "Stage green" views, yet live in complete contradiction. See Jesus' teachings, then see the entire history of the church; The Crusades, slavery, racism, nationalism,..... They just mindlessly repeat things, they only know what to say, not what it actually means.

I've come to the realization that wasting our time sitting around on our phones on a forum repeating what Leo has said is also pretty dumb. 

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