What's the Difference Between Consciousness and Intelligence?

[Eskilon]

I want to explore this topic in depth. Keep in mind that I wouldn’t say I am awake, that life is a dream(like I am in a lucid dream, I would presume that's what awakening is), so that’s the understanding that I am coming from.

 

What is intelligence? A person can be an intellectual but that doesn't necessarily mean he is automatically intelligent – You definitely wont say every intellectual is actually intelligent I dont think. It seems to me that intellect has intelligence in it, but intelligence doesn’t necessarily have intellect. Intelligence seems to belong to something bigger while intellect belongs to the human mind, this 3d reality and thinking specifically. But then what is actually intelligence?? When you look at nature you definitely can’t deny its intelligence: the order of it, the balance, the self-regulation, it is intelligent, but what is it? What is the substance of that??

 

One thing that I noticed while reading the forum and contemplating by myself, is that intelligence is never really on the current layer of reality but on the meta-layer. A computer is not really intelligent, the intelligence comes from its inventors. Same thing with you and your body's internal workings, you have no idea how to balance your body or how it really works on the atomic level, you couldn't do it if that job was assigned to you– the intelligence is coming from a meta layer, you could say the universe. And so on and so on,it seems that intelligence goes upwards in an infinite regress, never having a definitive starting point. Intelligence is nowhere to be found, and it seems to be a spontaneous “thing”, like a form of spontaneous knowing or understanding? Could this be what magic is? Intelligence = spontaneous magic?

 

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When you listen to Leo or read some trip reports here or elsewhere, you usually hear something like “I am infinitely conscious” and sometimes they will also say this also “I am infinitely intelligent”. Does this have to be absolutely linked? When you are absolutely conscious you MUST be absolutely intelligent? Can you be infinitely intelligent without being infinitely conscious?

 

Also, when you are infinitely conscious you don't necessarily know how to conjure a planet out of your ass… or do you?? Do you know the deep mechanics of how a planet or something like water is formed? Does being infinitely conscious mean you can do more things and understand how things work on the atomic level? If so I dont think consciousness and intelligence can be separated but they are also not the same thing?

 

In life you meet intelligent people(engineers, doctors, philosophers), but you wouldn't say they are really conscious or have some deep wisdom. How is this possible? How can someone be intelligent but not have that much consciousness?

 

I think an updated video on intelligence would be really nice @Leo Gura

Edited 11 hours ago by Eskilon

[Ziran]

My vote:

The difference between intelligence and consciousness is like the difference between "can" and "should".  An intelligent individual accurately considers, "Can it be done?".  A conscious soul instead considers, "Should it be done?" 

• "Can it be done?" is a simple matter of fact.  in the same way, "intelligence" is a matter of fact.
• "Should it be done?" is much more complex.  Answering accurately requires awareness of the consequences on others and oneself.  In the same way, "consciousness" is a confluence of self awareness and connection with others beyond oneself.

I hope this helps,

Edited 9 hours ago by Ziran

[Human Mint]

Nice question to contemplate. I think they go hand in hand. When you realize infinite Intelligence you're becoming conscious of that, just by the fact you're able to see that. If you see Infinity then that is infinite consciousness, right? They can't be exclusive.

Another example I think of is when someone is more conscious one commonly says it also intelligent, why? Why does being more conscious increases intelligence?

Edited 7 hours ago by Human Mint

[LambdaDelta]

Consciousness is conscious that there is no difference, Intelligence is so intelligent it creates the difference out of nothing. 

[Hojo]

Conciousness is before and allows intelligence.

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

My vote:

The difference between intelligence and consciousness is like the difference between "can" and "should".  An intelligent individual accurately considers, "Can it be done?".  A conscious soul instead considers, "Should it be done?" 

• "Can it be done?" is a simple matter of fact.  in the same way, "intelligence" is a matter of fact.
• "Should it be done?" is much more complex.  Answering accurately requires awareness of the consequences on others and oneself.  In the same way, "consciousness" is a confluence of self awareness and connection with others beyond oneself.

I hope this helps,

Interesting.

But in the "should be done" part, that requires knowing which requires intelligence. You can't have knowing without intelligence I dont think.

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Human Mint said:

Nice question to contemplate. I think they go hand in hand. When you realize infinite Intelligence you're becoming conscious of that, just by the fact you're able to see that. If you see Infinity then that is infinite consciousness, right? They can't be exclusive.

Another example I think of is when someone is more conscious one commonly says it also intelligent, why? Why does being more conscious increases intelligence?

yeah that's what I was thinking too, they cant really be separate. As soon as you have any type of recognition that is intelligence at play.

Though you can have zero intelligence which I think would be deep sleep. So consciousness can exist without intelligence, because existence exists by definition.

Edited 6 hours ago by Eskilon

[Eskilon]

36 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Consciousness is conscious that there is no difference,

To be conscious of that requires intelligence no?

 

36 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Intelligence is so intelligent it creates the difference out of nothing. 

Its magic.

[Eskilon]

21 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Conciousness is before and allows intelligence.

If it allows that it needs intelligence.

Edited 6 hours ago by Eskilon

[Hojo]

@Eskilon Conciousness dosent need anything it just sits there doing nothing.

[Eskilon]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

Conciousness dosent need anything it just sits there doing nothing.

But as soon as doing begins that needs intelligence.

Consciousness can just be empty being there, but doing requires a type of knowing which needs intelligence.

[Hojo]

@EskilonIt can do it and it has it but it dosent need it. Its like a monitor thats turned off. Can the monitor turn on? Yes but it dosent need too it can just sit there with no intelligence on the screen. And just become intelligence and light can appear on the monitor dosent change anything about the monitors base state of being off. Even when the monitor is on its still off.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo

[Eskilon]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

It can do it and it has it but it dosent need it. Its like a monitor thats turned off. Can the monitor turn on? Yes but it dosent need too it can just sit there with no intelligence on the screen. And just become intelligence and light can appear on the monitor dosent change anything about the monitors base state of being off. Even when the monitor is on its still off.

You cant have an on without an off. This makes sense. That's why death is impossible looking at it this way, at least logically this makes sense.

Edited 6 hours ago by Eskilon

[Ramasta9]

Consciousness = Intelligent Infinity

 

[Eskilon]

2 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Consciousness = Intelligent Infinity

Elegant🍷

[Hojo]

@EskilonThink of your POV like a monitor looking out. You are inside the monitor and your pixels are currently lit up. You see intelligence light colours and forms. You close your eyes and see conciousness. Nothing, the off state of the monitor that is still there while the monitor is on and its still there when the monitor turns off.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo

[Eskilon]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

Think of your POV like a monitor looking out. You are inside the monitor and your pixels are currently lit up. You see intelligence light colours and forms. You close your eyes and see conciousness. Nothing, the off state of the monitor that is still there while the monitor is on.

Good analogy, it makes sense.

[Hojo]

@EskilonThe off state is actually behind everything you see too. Behind your monitor of phone or wall is the same off state you see when you close your eyes. Now you are dreaming.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo

[Eskilon]

14 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Now you are dreaming.

That's the thing, I can see that there's no difference between my life and my dreams at night. However, this is not at the level of knowing, its at the level of the intellect, it makes sense, but is not undeniable beyond a shadow of doubt. When you suddenly become lucid at your nightly dreams theres a deep, deep knowing that that shit isnt real, its not at the level of thinking or making sense, you just know and it is undeniable(and also only you know no other dream character know, they will even act scared if you tell them lol). I havent been able to do this with this dream(life) yet, if it is indeed a dream...

Edited 5 hours ago by Eskilon

[Hojo]

@Eskilon

 

You dont exist to get it. Try to find yourself, not with language, try to point to yourself with your intelligence.

What knows the dream isnt real in lucid dreaming?

Edited 5 hours ago by Hojo