Looking for advice on signing up for coaching and about practicing pickup

[IronFoot]

Back in November of last year I got out of a relationship. I’m now feeling ready to get back into the game. I have dabbled in pickup before but every time I started to gain traction, I ended up in a long term relationship. So I never gained any real traction (which I think is a pretty big trap I let myself fall into).

 

I am re watching Leo’s videos on how to get laid since they are actually applicable to me now. I also read the game and am listening to the mystery method. I’ve made a lot of improvement to my physical form over the last year by dialing in on my nutrition and hitting the gym. I haven’t gotten back on the dating apps yet since I don’t have good pictures to use at the moment.

 

Ive started thinking I should hire a dating coach as that may help me stay accountable. I’ve been watching a lot of Austin Dunhams videos and have gotten a lot of value from his content. I recently had a video call with one of his reps to find out more about his coaching services. He offers a 12 week program that focuses on optimizing online presentation, text game, style and “using apps to build a funnel for dates.”  This does sound appealing to me and paired with actual pickup could be pretty powerful.  The 12 week program is about $4,000 which feels like a lot to me, but would absolutely be worth it if it led to the results they are claiming are possible. However there is not a huge focus on pickup so I’d likely be learning that with little guidance aside from videos , books and trial and error.

 

have any of you had any experience with him or anyone like him? Do you have any experience with hiring a dating coach and was it beneficial. Ive never hired a coach for anything before because I’m always nervous to spend the money on it, but I am recognizing this mentality could be a huge mistake.

 

Also, in Leo’s videos, he recommends moving to a bigger city. I’m currently in Roanoke VA which has a pretty low population. I’m not really interested in moving. I am within driving distance of Charlotte, Greensboro, DC, Blacksburg, Richmond, VA beach.  Between all of the metropolitan areas, that should give me a pretty wide pool to pull from. By the end of March I’m intending to go spend each weekend in a different city (probably Charlotte because it cheap) to approach more people.  Does this seem like a feasible strategy or am I just kidding myself thinking I could get good results without relocating?

to summarize:

1. Any thoughts or advice on getting a coach whether it’s this one or another one would be appreciated.

2. thoughts or advice on the feasibility of traveling to cities every weekend to practice approaching instead of relocating would also be appreciated.

 

 

[CARDOZZO]

Dude, if you want to test my hypothesis on Tinder, do the account and follow the rules.

Post the results here 😉

 

Edited 20 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[CARDOZZO]

As I mentioned before, this is just an experiment to test some hypotheses. We'll run the experiment with no expectations of getting dates.

 

The goal is to get matches and make the algorithm recommend your profile to more people over a long time. Whether women will go out with you or not is a matter of how you handle them after the match.

 

1. If you have an account, delete it. If you don't have one, create a new one. You won't need a premium account. I want you to make a free account and not spend any money.
2. Write only your first name.
3. Photos: You need to be genuine, real and honest. I want you to use 9 photos. Put two photos of yourself (decent ones, no need for professional photos. Be minimally groomed, whether it's a selfie or something somewhat polished.) The other 7 photos will be of your hobbies, books, interests, memes, curiosities about you. You don't need to appear in the other 7 photos. I use photos of books, places I've been, personal artifacts (moon lamp), photos I've taken. Show your hobbies and personality beyond your personal photos.
4. Description: Write about your college degree/profession if applicable, talk about your passions related to the photos. (examples: I like to meditate, run, travel, meet new people, sing at karaoke, skate, etc.)
5. Write the city where you live.
6. Use a photo of a hobby or your favorite book as the main photo. Don't put your face photo as the main one. The idea is to intrigue women, show that you're different and not playing the beauty game. You're offering something different and unique. You're being 100% vulnerable, showing your hobbies, tastes, lifestyle, what you really find interesting beyond beauty.
7. Set the maximum distance and age range. (Remember, this is an experiment. The idea is to make the algorithm see you as someone worth showing to the maximum number of people.)
8. Like all women, ALL of them. Regardless of beauty or age. We want to test how far your profile can go with these tips. Don't judge. Don't judge. Just follow the experiment. You DON'T need to talk to the women you don't find interesting.
9. Talk with woman you really like.
10. Share your results here.

Just to clarify. I did 4 accounts doing the same steps mentioned. I got +90 matches in all of them with different girls. Yes, +360 matches.

I want to see what this is all about. Am I a chad? I don't know. 

[Miguel1]

3 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Dude, if you want to test my hypothesis on Tinder, do the account and follow the rules.

Post the results here 😉

Bro is about to come out with a Tinder Course 

[CARDOZZO]

7 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Bro is about to come out with a Tinder Course 

Find your gf in 48hrs 😜

[something_else]

14 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

As I mentioned before, this is just an experiment to test some hypotheses. We'll run the experiment with no expectations of getting dates.

 

The goal is to get matches and make the algorithm recommend your profile to more people over a long time. Whether women will go out with you or not is a matter of how you handle them after the match.

 

1. If you have an account, delete it. If you don't have one, create a new one. You won't need a premium account. I want you to make a free account and not spend any money.
2. Write only your first name.
3. Photos: You need to be genuine, real and honest. I want you to use 9 photos. Put two photos of yourself (decent ones, no need for professional photos. Be minimally groomed, whether it's a selfie or something somewhat polished.) The other 7 photos will be of your hobbies, books, interests, memes, curiosities about you. You don't need to appear in the other 7 photos. I use photos of books, places I've been, personal artifacts (moon lamp), photos I've taken. Show your hobbies and personality beyond your personal photos.
4. Description: Write about your college degree/profession if applicable, talk about your passions related to the photos. (examples: I like to meditate, run, travel, meet new people, sing at karaoke, skate, etc.)
5. Write the city where you live.
6. Use a photo of a hobby or your favorite book as the main photo. Don't put your face photo as the main one. The idea is to intrigue women, show that you're different and not playing the beauty game. You're offering something different and unique. You're being 100% vulnerable, showing your hobbies, tastes, lifestyle, what you really find interesting beyond beauty.
7. Set the maximum distance and age range. (Remember, this is an experiment. The idea is to make the algorithm see you as someone worth showing to the maximum number of people.)
8. Like all women, ALL of them. Regardless of beauty or age. We want to test how far your profile can go with these tips. Don't judge. Don't judge. Just follow the experiment. You DON'T need to talk to the women you don't find interesting.
9. Talk with woman you really like.
10. Share your results here.

Just to clarify. I did 4 accounts doing the same steps mentioned. I got +90 matches in all of them with different girls. Yes, +360 matches.

I want to see what this is all about. Am I a chad? I don't know. 

I’d be curious to see if this works. A lot of this goes against traditional dating app advice but I do reckon it could work

[CARDOZZO]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

I’d be curious to see if this works. A lot of this goes against traditional dating app advice but I do reckon it could work

Test for yourself.

I don't want you to believe anything 😎

[something_else]

38 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Test for yourself.

I don't want you to believe anything 😎

I mean I already do pretty well on tinder with a fairly traditional profile so I don’t really have any motivation to switch it up

The main part of that advice I’m skeptical of is “like every woman” as it’s pretty well known that dating apps penalise you for doing this, you’ll end up being shown to less people overall if you just spam like everybody.

Not having your face as a main profile picture is also quite high risk. I can see it working in some cases, but having watched a fair few women swipe on dating apps before I expect that this is hurting you more than it’s helping

The rest of it seems like pretty solid advice though

 

[CARDOZZO]

32 minutes ago, something_else said:

The main part of that advice I’m skeptical of is “like every woman” as it’s pretty well known that dating apps penalise you for doing this, you’ll end up being shown to less people overall if you just spam like everybody.

Actually, liking every woman regardless of their beauty and age increases your chances to get a match - but this is only a honeypot to the algorithm. The algorithm will think that you are sexy/hot and will show your profile to more woman, increasing your chances of getting more likes until you find women that you really like.

Hacking tinder is the only way.

[something_else]

34 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Actually, liking every woman regardless of their beauty and age increases your chances to get a match - but this is only a honeypot to the algorithm. The algorithm will think that you are sexy/hot and will show your profile to more woman, increasing your chances of getting more likes until you find women that you really like.

Hacking tinder is the only way.

I’m almost certain this is not true. For a very long time dating apps have penalised robotically swiping right on everybody. It works for a few days after you create a new account because you have a newbie boost and then after that you’ll start to be penalised heavily for it. You can google this if you don’t believe me

[CARDOZZO]

20 minutes ago, something_else said:

I’m almost certain this is not true. For a very long time dating apps have penalised robotically swiping right on everybody. It works for a few days after you create a new account because you have a newbie boost and then after that you’ll start to be penalised heavily for it. You can google this if you don’t believe me

It is not a matter of belief. I'll not discuss what works or not based on assumptions.

Direct experience is king.

[Lyubov]

Dude do not spend money on coaching. You need to focus on getting out of that bum ass town. Even charlotte is shit, I used to live there. But it’s better than a tiny town. Save your $4000, you seriously need to put that into moving or upping your income. I’d even recommend you not waste money going to cities on weekends. You asked a question and it’s clear as day you intuitively deep down know what the next step is. You gotta get out of the town you’re in and  hangs your lifestyle. A lifestyle that prioritizes dating assumes you have the foundation for it.

[something_else]

18 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

It is not a matter of belief. I'll not discuss what works or not based on assumptions.

Direct experience is king.

I mean I have more matches than I know what to do with, ultimately it’s about how good your profile is. If you have an excellent profile you can break the rules and you’ll still probably be fine.

But it’s very well established that swiping right on everybody is a game of diminishing returns, this can be learnt from a simple google and looking at other people’s experiences where they often end up shadow banned after doing this consistently. Again, if you have a good profile the effects of this are minimised but it will definitely still hurt you.

In real life when it comes to dating if you feel like you need to resort to tricks then you’ve already lost. The same applies to dating apps. Just build a solid profile, like the girls you like and don’t like the girls you don’t and the algorithm will work well for you.

Getting super highly invested in dating app mechanics will also fuck with your head and your self esteem over time.

[CARDOZZO]

17 minutes ago, something_else said:

I mean I have more matches than I know what to do with, ultimately it’s about how good your profile is. If you have an excellent profile you can break the rules and you’ll still probably be fine.

But it’s very well established that swiping right on everybody is a game of diminishing returns, this can be learnt from a simple google and looking at other people’s experiences where they often end up shadow banned after doing this consistently. Again, if you have a good profile the effects of this are minimised but it will definitely still hurt you.

In real life when it comes to dating if you feel like you need to resort to tricks then you’ve already lost. The same applies to dating apps. Just build a solid profile, like the girls you like and don’t like the girls you don’t and the algorithm will work well for you.

Getting super highly invested in dating app mechanics will also fuck with your head and your self esteem over time.

Sure.

Just sharing some insights and possible ways to improve your sexual/dating life.