The Ego’s Final Disguise

[James123]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Body is born without identity.

Body knows how to stay alive without thought or identity.

Body life is automatic neutrality. Body does not need a reason or purpose to be alive. 

 

Another good starter topic. Thanks for the clarity. 👍

Amazing. 

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The body needs food and a suitable temperature to survive. The mind needs belonging and many other things. What's the difference? Is the mind perhaps a mistake of reality that should be fixed by turning it off?

The mind isn’t a mistake of reality; it’s limitlessness laboring under the belief that it is limited. From that mistaken belief, suffering arises - both for itself and for others. What’s needed isn’t to turn the mind off, but for it to wake up from the confusion it’s in. Spiritual work exists precisely to facilitate that awakening. For me, the work unfolds as gradually choosing awareness over illusion, extending forgiveness instead of judgment, and learning to see everything through the eyes of love rather than fear, such that apparent conflict becomes again what it always was, unvarnished wholeness.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

; it’s limitlessness laboring under the belief that it is limited

The one who holds that belief is not limitlessness itself, but humanity, and they hold it because it is true.

 

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

What’s needed isn’t to turn the mind off, but for it to wake up from the confusion it’s in.

The confusion lies in believing that you are limitlessness, when the limitless is not a "you." A "you" is a perceiving center, therefore limited by definition. If something believes it is limited, or believes anything at all, it is because it is a perceiving center. The limitless does not believe anything; it is the "substance" of beliefs. Beliefs are form. Changing beliefs is changing form, but not opening yourself to the totality.

The human being, who is a perceiving center, is limited and desires self-preservation; that it's nature, and denying it is pointless.

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

 

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2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

it always was, unvarnished wholeness.

Yes but same time the human structure that is going to disappear perceives itself and wants permanence. Denying that the form is real doesn't work, in my opinion. 

The point is to open oneself to the totality as much as possible, to make the structure as transparent as possible to its essence. Then, although the desire for permanence will always exist, dissolution can be accepted.

But if you deny humanity as an illusion and claim to be immortal god, you are exchanging a real identity for an invented one to stop fearing. This limits you completely, turning you into a narcissist who invents the reality he wants to feel better.

 

[gettoefl]

49 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The one who holds that belief is not limitlessness itself, but humanity, and they hold it because it is true.

 

The confusion lies in believing that you are limitlessness, when the limitless is not a "you." A "you" is a perceiving center, therefore limited by definition. If something believes it is limited, or believes anything at all, it is because it is a perceiving center. The limitless does not believe anything; it is the "substance" of beliefs. Beliefs are form. Changing beliefs is changing form, but not opening yourself to the totality.

The human being, who is a perceiving center, is limited and desires self-preservation; that it's nature, and denying it is pointless.

I 

 

Yes but same time the human structure that is going to disappear perceives itself and wants permanence. Denying that the form is real doesn't work, in my opinion. 

The point is to open oneself to the totality as much as possible, to make the structure as transparent as possible to its essence. Then, although the desire for permanence will always exist, dissolution can be accepted.

But if you deny humanity as an illusion and claim to be immortal god, you are exchanging a real identity for an invented one to stop fearing. This limits you completely, turning you into a narcissist who invents the reality he wants to feel better.

 

 

Waking up begins very modestly: with seeing that there is actually a choice here. A choice to continue enacting the same patterns of fear, self-protection, and harm. Or to step out of them for good. Whatever we decide reality ultimately is, suffering is not mandatory, whether inflicted on myself or on others. You of course can say to me, “I’m fine living this life, thanks,” and that’s a valid choice after which I leave you in peace. For me, remembering what I am, all the while without negating the human structure, opens a lighter way of living, one with less compulsion and less damage. My choice is for that.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, gettoefl said:

For me, remembering what I am, all the while without negating the human structure, opens a lighter way of living, one with less compulsion and less damage. My choice is for that.

Yes of course. It's the wise choice in any case.