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[LastThursday]

13 minutes ago, Hojo said:

No.

What do you think a dog is then? And why's it different from a cat?

[Hojo]

@LastThursdayIt exists but its not a dog. Its just what it is.

Edited yesterday at 10:20 AM by Hojo

[LastThursday]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Imagine you didnt label a dog as a dog, what is it?

I don't need language to be able to distinguish a dog from everything else. I don't see a dog and then say to myself "dog". I don't confuse a dog for a cat, those are both different things. Naturally I can point to it and tell someone "hey that's a dog", or "oye, ese es un perro", the language is irrelevant, the experience is the same in both cases.

There is a mental construct or template of a "dog". I have a bunch of perceptions, and those perceptions fit my template of a "dog". The words "dog" or "perro" are then attached to that mental construct, and I can use that to convey my experience to someone else. 

The crux of the thing is that the mental construct is not a part of language, it is entirely separate from it. I can navigate the world completely without using language. But I can't navigate the world without using mental constructs. These constructs or platonic forms or templates or whatever you want to call them, sit between language and perception.

A "dog" or un "perro" are just visual symbols representing random sounds we make representing mental constructs representing perceptions.

[Hojo]

@LastThursday Dog is language its not a dog. Youve already labelled it as a dog thats why you dont need to say it. If you deleted the label it wouldnt be a dog, and it would physically change.

Edited 17 hours ago by Hojo

[yetineti]

@Hojo

I had this happen with my guitar years ago.

Leo mentioned ‘just look at something, appreciate it—no words! Can you even do that? Pick something and look at it until you forget what it’s called.’

My guitar stopped being a ‘guitar’ to me. I realized I had baggage and expectations to playing my music and it went back to being this odd box with some strings on it; I saw it like a kid again.

—

Before I knew about how cars worked— ‘Car’ referred to this seamless thing I would enter and could move me to somewhere else.

Eventually, I learned about all the pieces of a ‘car’ and my idea of what I thought an entire car was completely changed!

I actually merged with the car. I can hear noises in a car and respond like it’s my body. Quite odd.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by yetineti

[yetineti]

Reality only needs consciousness.

Consciousness creates, interprets and provides the sense of interaction, all in one swift act.