Hack to get female attention: White Sweatpants

[Jannes]

I have stopped wearing tight Shirts to show off my upper body bc I thought it was toxic. Wtf was I thinking. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Jannes

[AION]

 Usually you have to do the opposite of women say and you are generally fine. It is about creating polarity your energy. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

15 hours ago, AION said:

 Usually you have to do the opposite of women say and you are generally fine. It is about creating polarity your energy. 

Weird line of reasoning - you should probably have added nuance or context, yes? I definitely wouldn't say usually. Just the statement alone makes me question if you know how to attact a healthy women. But hey, maybe you want to attract someone with unconscious issues?

Woman 'I don't want to have sex tonight'

Man 'That means have sex' 

Something doesn't sound right there.

[AION]

@Natasha Tori Maru if a girl says “we are not having sex” it usually means you are getting sex that night. While if she never talks about sex you are in trouble.  This is widely known in pickup. I don’t subscribe to that ideology but there are a lot of truths and that is one of them. The best way to destroy a relationship with a girl is to do everything she says and be a puppy. Unfortunately most women are on this unconscious level and guys have to work with what is on the dating market. It is not our responsibility to be therapists for women and try to understand what they want. More and more guys are understanding that the dating dynamics are changing. I’m optimizing to not get one girl. Since nowadays a steady healthy relationship is less unlikely compared to 10-20 years. Men need to wake up and get theirs. I think in another 10 years a lot of women will get in an existential crises because most are approaching 40-50 and they will realize nobody is coming to save a hoe. We men are tired of that bullshit. I’m just there to get mine in the same way women are there to get theirs. I have so many nice guy friends who have it all and they aren’t getting t any attention while my egoistic friends are pumping and dumping left and right.  This is what women choose. And I’m just adjusting to what the market wants. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

32 minutes ago, AION said:

@Natasha Tori Maru if a girl says “we are not having sex” it usually means you are getting sex that night. While if she never talks about sex you are in trouble.  This is widely known in pickup. I don’t subscribe to that ideology but there are a lot of truths and that is one of them. The best way to destroy a relationship with a girl is to do everything she says and be a puppy. Unfortunately most women are on this unconscious level and guys have to work with what is on the dating market. It is not our responsibility to be therapists for women and try to understand what they want. More and more guys are understanding that the dating dynamics are changing. I’m optimizing to not get one girl. Since nowadays a steady healthy relationship is less unlikely compared to 10-20 years. Men need to wake up and get theirs. I think in another 10 years a lot of women will get in an existential crises because most are approaching 40-50 and they will realize nobody is coming to save a hoe. We men are tired of that bullshit. I’m just there to get mine in the same way women are there to get theirs. I have so many nice guy friends who have it all and they aren’t getting t any attention while my egoistic friends are pumping and dumping left and right.  This is what women choose. And I’m just adjusting to what the market wants. 

You aren't telling me anything I do not know, only reinforcing my point above. You are also saying 'morals be damned, I will game the system and compromise my own integrity' if I understand your last line correctly. It just appears to be lowering yourself and conforming. 

You need to learn when no means no, though. It might be a hard lesson.

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

But hey, maybe you want to attract someone with unconscious issues?

Don't cry when you reap what you sow.

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AION]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You aren't telling me anything I do not know, only reinforcing my point above. You are also saying 'morals be damned, I will game the system and compromise my own integrity' if I understand your last line correctly. It just appears to be lowering yourself and conforming. 

You need to learn when no means no, though. It might be a hard lesson.

Don't cry when you reap what you sow.

Self love is top tier (self) integrity. I'm not compromising on that for some ho's. Not only that. Self love aka egoism is being rewarded so you can't blame men.

Edited 2 hours ago by AION

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, AION said:

Self love is top tier (self) integrity. I'm not compromising on that for some ho's. Not only that. Self love aka egoism is being rewarded so you can't blame men.

Yeah so where did I blame men? 

I made no collective judgement.

I never meant to convey that at all.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I don't think I understand your version self love. It is not egoism in my definition. 

You must be using it in some foreign context here.

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AION]

@Natasha Tori Maru you are looking at things too much through the lens of feminism while I'm look at the subject from a post-feminist perspective. Men having self love, boundaries and choosing themselves shouldn't be a threat to women. 

Feminism was toxic because they wanted to win from men at the cost of men. We are slowly moving away from this ideology on a state level but people need to let go of this mindset too.

Men need to free their minds and be ok with choosing themselves. I don't think the current mindset of women is viable and soon it will be more apparent with the upcoming population collapse when there will be a major awakening.

[Howtolive]

2 minutes ago, AION said:

@Natasha Tori Maru you are looking at things too much through the lens of feminism while I'm look at the subject from a post-feminist perspective. Men having self love, boundaries and choosing themselves shouldn't be a threat to women. 

Feminism was toxic because they wanted to win from men at the cost of men. We are slowly moving away from this ideology on a state level but people need to let go of this mindset too.

Men need to free their minds and be ok with choosing themselves. I don't think the current mindset of women is viable and soon it will be more apparent with the upcoming population collapse when there will be a major awakening.

I agree with your observations. Where I dont agree is with your conclusion. You see what's wrong with the dating market and woman and choose to act from justice -> I will adopt to the game and take my share and just get my dick wet. This behaviour takes advantage of the current situation, very understandable. But it's not really based on integreity and choosing action that point at a higher goal. You could instead only aim for woman that have some quality left and are good humans and are willing to drop the toxic femininity and try to get a real bond with a woman and maybe a family. This will fulfil much deeper needs, you will be more integer. Why is sleeping with more woman the correct parameter to see if your behaviour is working or not ? And I would also argue, you can become a strong respectable male without needing to sleep with woman all the time.

[AION]

23 minutes ago, Howtolive said:

I agree with your observations. Where I dont agree is with your conclusion. You see what's wrong with the dating market and woman and choose to act from justice -> I will adopt to the game and take my share and just get my dick wet. This behaviour takes advantage of the current situation, very understandable. But it's not really based on integreity and choosing action that point at a higher goal. You could instead only aim for woman that have some quality left and are good humans and are willing to drop the toxic femininity and try to get a real bond with a woman and maybe a family. This will fulfil much deeper needs, you will be more integer. Why is sleeping with more woman the correct parameter to see if your behaviour is working or not ? And I would also argue, you can become a strong respectable male without needing to sleep with woman all the time.

I'm in integrity because I'm acting from self love. If I accept women's perspective/frame on dating while being a man, I don't have self respect. I rather act from my own frame. 

It is not only about me. I'm getting sucess with women. I have a lot of friends who don't understand the game and they are being pushed aside while the same women prefer guys who pump and dump them. 

My views/frame won't change the dating market anyway. One needs to be humble. I can only influence my own life and perhaps influence my friends because I hate to see them suffering. But at the same time I see how hard it is for them to let go off their old frames and paradigms.

Suffering is the only tool for development of consciousness. One must love and learn from suffering aka direct experience. That is the only way to change yourself and change others. 

Most relationships are based on power dynamics and frame battles. Even within friendships. Because most people are in survival mode. If you don't have this in mind and act based on lovey dovey alone you will get fail with relationships and friendships. In the past I was very bad with relationships and now I'm considered top tier so I think I have some credit when I say this.

Edited 1 hour ago by AION

[Valach]

@AION True self love is the opposite of egoism. Healthy people do not need to manipulate people to gratify their egos.

[AION]

20 minutes ago, Valach said:

@AION True self love is the opposite of egoism. Healthy people do not need to manipulate people to gratify their egos.

No. It is not the opposite. Being against healthy egoism is self hate. 

[Kid A]

 

2 hours ago, AION said:

The best way to destroy a relationship with a girl is to do everything she says and be a puppy.

And the solution is to usually do the opposite of what women say? RIP nuances and balance.

2 hours ago, AION said:

I have so many nice guy friends who have it all and they aren’t getting t any attention while my egoistic friends are pumping and dumping left and right.

That's because your "egoistic" friends put way more effort into getting sex. 

[Valach]

26 minutes ago, AION said:

No. It is not the opposite. Being against healthy egoism is self hate. 

Ego != Egoism. What is this egoism of yours, how do you define it?

[Kid A]

I just love how pickup theory is all about being non-needy and not being a puppy, but when people follow this advice, they're actually being needier and more puppy-like than ever, since they're really not being authentically selfish but just behaving in whatever way they think women respond most positively to. No wonder why it doesn't work at all. At least that's my experience...