Why don't enlightened people free everyone?

[Kokorec]

If you've achieved godhood and see all the ways people act, why they do it and how to fix it since "you" are infinity. Why not fix or help "ungodly/unenlightened" people to understand what they miss?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Because they seem to really, really like them-selves. A lot. The perception may be, these selves are all they have...

Some people willingly move out of home as part of process. But most people do not appreciate being evicted 

[Ramasta9]

9 minutes ago, Kokorec said:

If you've achieved godhood and see all the ways people act, why they do it and how to fix it since "you" are infinity. Why not fix or help "ungodly/unenlightened" people to understand what they miss?

Can you teach a baby to run a triathlon and solo hike Mount Everest when it has yet to learn how to walk? 

[PenguinPablo]

Because they will think that you are insane.

Can't help an addict until they are ready, until they hit rock botton.

[Kokorec]

8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Because they seem to really, really like them-selves. A lot. The perception may be, these selves are all they have...

Some people willingly move out of home as part of process. But most people do not appreciate being evicted 

idk about other people but i feel like a hamster in a wheel in my "self" for the last few years, gets boring and absurd

[Kokorec]

5 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Can you teach a baby to run a triathlon and solo hike Mount Everest when it has yet to learn how to walk? 

that's a lazy strawman :p, i can show, put him/her in a situation she/he needs to walk and progressively increase the difficulty.

i don't see anyone giving actionable rooted steps. mostly mental mumbo jumbo, woo and posing as something higher without showing the steps that get there

[Kokorec]

13 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

Because they will think that you are insane.

Can't help an addict until they are ready, until they hit rock botton.

Who are "they"?
people i know irl and me listen/sense when there is a higher perspective being transmitted even if it comes from a "crazy"

Edited 18 hours ago by Kokorec

[Ramasta9]

1 minute ago, Kokorec said:

that's a lazy strawman :p, i can show, put him/her in a situation she/he needs to walk and progressively increase the difficulty.

i don't see anyone giving actionable rooted steps. mostly mental mumbo jumbo, woo and posing as something higher without showing the steps that get there

That's cause you people can only point, you must walk the way, take the steps, be accountable and responsible for your own life.  There thousands of solid teachings and guides out there, and often we miss them because we haven't realized the truth within ourselves, that even in the most mundane things, you can discover the truth. I'll give you 3 pointers, stillness, silence and surrender.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Kokorec said:

idk about other people but i feel like a hamster in a wheel in my "self" for the last few years, gets boring and absurd

You are a seeker by nature, then. Most others are not. Even my family, who proclaim to be so spiritual, would be terrified of the process I have been through in this work. Most do not hit the 'boring' & 'absurd' phases until well into life. Some not at all! And some have no understanding of what is actually wrong... just that they cannot put their finger on it

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, Kokorec said:

people i know irl and me listen/sense when there is a higher perspective being transmitted even if it comes from a "crazy"

Regarding this.

It might be worthy to note each of us see a different facet of truth in each teaching. Depending on where we are at.

Some might be taking away a completely different message or truth.

Often, in the path, when you return to teachings that were foundations for other teachings - they take on a completely different meaning and truth....

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Because they seem to really, really like them-selves. A lot. The perception may be, these selves are all they have...

Some people willingly move out of home as part of process. But most people do not appreciate being evicted 

What kind of response is this? Of course the enlightened help others.  Where they can.  Sometimes they are just trying to help themselves. Enlightened individuals are usually not wealthy because they dont play into the corporate games. So asking them for help financially may not be possible.  But they will always help in other ways.

Edited 17 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Kokorec]

1 minute ago, Ramasta9 said:

That's cause you people can only point, you must walk the way, take the steps, be accountable and responsible for your own life.  There thousands of solid teachings and guides out there, and often we miss them because we haven't realized the truth within ourselves, that even in the most mundane things, you can discover the truth. I'll give you 3 pointers, stillness, silence and surrender.

"stillness, silence and surrender" that was a needed reminder, cheers.
what to do with different feeling and thought about what's right?
my mental models tells me its right and it makes sense on thought level but when i actually start putting in the work it feels dreadful to do and like life is this dreadful treadmill i have to keep suffer trough until i get some place safe and die peacefully 

Example: i should work more, develop a skill like a data engineering, get a job and be financially stable, make kids or get more responsibility so i can have more for a comfortable "spot" in life to do ????????(idk what)

[Kokorec]

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You are a seeker by nature, then. Most others are not. Even my family, who proclaim to be so spiritual, would be terrified of the process I have been through in this work. Most do not hit the 'boring' & 'absurd' phases until well into life. Some not at all! And some have no understanding of what is actually wrong... just that they cannot put their finger on it

yeah we are the best

[Inliytened1]

37 minutes ago, Kokorec said:

If you've achieved godhood and see all the ways people act, why they do it and how to fix it since "you" are infinity. Why not fix or help "ungodly/unenlightened" people to understand what they miss?

Advice only goes so far. But if you are willing to listen I have a ton to give. 

[Ramasta9]

2 minutes ago, Kokorec said:

"stillness, silence and surrender" that was a needed reminder, cheers.
what to do with different feeling and thought about what's right?
my mental models tells me its right and it makes sense on thought level but when i actually start putting in the work it feels dreadful to do and like life is this dreadful treadmill i have to keep suffer trough until i get some place safe and die peacefully 

Example: i should work more, develop a skill like a data engineering, get a job and be financially stable, make kids or get more responsibility so i can have more for a comfortable "spot" in life to do ????????(idk what)

You shouldn't / need-not do anything, if you are suffering, you need to rest and take a little break from life and be with yourself fully. The mind panics when it has nothing to engage in and distract itself or escape to. Go camping in nature for a few days or weeks, leave the phone at home. 

[Kokorec]

9 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Regarding this.

It might be worthy to note each of us see a different facet of truth in each teaching. Depending on where we are at.

Some might be taking away a completely different message or truth.

Often, in the path, when you return to teachings that were foundations for other teachings - they take on a completely different meaning and truth....

i wouldn't say different but higher and lower levels, not everybody is a snowflake

example:
Freedom is choosing what you’ll be responsible for
low: freedom = obligation

mid: responsibility creates real options(trust, skill, stability)

high: you see you can’t control everything, but you can always choose your stance so freedom becomes inner, not external.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Kokorec said:

i wouldn't say different but higher and lower levels, not everybody is a snowflake

example:
Freedom is choosing what you’ll be responsible for
low: freedom = obligation

mid: responsibility creates real options(trust, skill, stability)

high: you see you can’t control everything, but you can always choose your stance so freedom becomes inner, not external.

High freedom would mean you are responsible for other's freedoms. And the taking away of that freedom. So the question is - would you take another's freedom to preserve your own?

[Kokorec]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What kind of reasons is this. Of course the enlightened help others.  Where they can.  Sometimes they are just trying to help themselves. Enlightened individuals are usually not wealthy because they dont play into the corporate games. So asking them for help financially may not be possible.  But they will always help in other ways.

are u de-enlightened?
financial wealth is a speck of dust compared to the knowledge about  inner workings of how "everything" works. If they cant help with that idk if they are really enlightened or being enlightened doesn't come with a "mental super saiyan" upgrade

[Kokorec]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Advice only goes so far. But if you are willing to listen I have a ton to give. 

2 ears wiide open, hook me up with the good stuff 

[Kokorec]

16 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

You shouldn't / need-not do anything, if you are suffering, you need to rest and take a little break from life and be with yourself fully. The mind panics when it has nothing to engage in and distract itself or escape to. Go camping in nature for a few days or weeks, leave the phone at home. 

I actually was in a 10day vipassana retreat which didn't do much accept a light aftertaste but I will give alone boredom in the woods a week to see if it works.
gonna send a signal out if i do find the inner temple