What spiritual teachers actually teach Solipsism

[Inliytened1]

Ramana Maharshi.

Who else.

Solipsism is Truth.   It's just too hard to swallow. Who else.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:19 AM by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

The truth is whatever the truth is. A belief system is a belief system.

Edited yesterday at 12:27 AM by UnbornTao

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The knives being sharpened 😈

[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

The truth is whatever the truth is. A belief system is a belief system.

That could easily mean that deception could prevail.  Is there an Absolute.   Or is it just anything goes.  

Edited yesterday at 12:53 AM by Inliytened1

[RisingLane]

"To me, the deepest spiritual power is to be able to see moment to moment that you're only with yourself."

That's a quote by Adyashanti; I think it sounds solipsistic.

The Buddha also said, "I alone am the honored one," which can be interpreted as a solipsistic statement.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, RisingLane said:

"To me, the deepest spiritual power is to be able to see moment to moment that you're only with yourself."

That's a quote by Adyashanti; I think it sounds solipsistic.

The Buddha also said, "I alone am the honored one," which can be interpreted as a solipsistic statement.

Indeed.  

An easier way to look at it is that if you don't think about other, other does not exist. 

[UnbornTao]

36 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That could easily mean that deception could prevail.  Is there an Absolute.   Or is it just anything goes.  

No, it just means that what is the case has to be grasped for itself. And this is not necessarily easy. A packaged Happy Meal can be convenient, but however affirming it is, a concept or belief about existence is different from a personal encounter with the nature of things. And again, it's a tricky business. It certainly isn't resolved by adopting a cosmology.

Edited yesterday at 01:28 AM by UnbornTao

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

No, it just means that what is the case has to be grasped for itself. 

For itself. Exactly.  Other plays no role here. 

[Inliytened1]

@UnbornTao you're not awake until you realize that everything is imaginary.  Everything is a complete dream.  That is spirituality.   All is Mind. Nothing needs to exist outside your direct experience because reality is Mind so it would mean nothing to have anything outside you.  You are God

 

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[UnbornTao]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

For itself. Exactly.  Other plays no role here. 

Neither do you as a person, though the broader point is that these kinds of things generally distract you and obstruct a truly open investigation. It's just intellectual. They might be useful to entertain so you can learn new ideas and so on, though.

Ramana advocated asking, "Who am I?" In my view, he was one of the few who really knew what he was talking about - and in a profound way. Why not do that?

It seems that we so-called spiritual people tend to be full of ourselves, despite our reluctance to openly acknowledge it (primarily to ourselves), and may already think we're already deeply enlightened. Most likely BS in most cases. And if drugs and fantasy are involved… yep.

Encouraging message! Just be honest with yourself (impersonal you). After all, you can't pretend your way to the truth. You can think that a belief you hold is true - as a matter of fact, we already do - but that doesn't make it true, much less existentially true.

Edited yesterday at 01:30 PM by UnbornTao

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

Neither do you as a person, though the broader point is that these kinds of things generally distract you and obstruct a truly open investigation. It's just intellectual. They might be useful to entertain so you can learn new ideas and so on, though.

Ramana advocated asking, "Who am I?" In my view, he was one of the few who really knew what he was talking about in a profound way. Why not do that?

It seems that we so-called spiritual people tend to be full of ourselves, despite our reluctance to openly acknowledge it (primarily to ourselves), and may already think we're already deeply enlightened. Most likely BS in most cases. And if drugs and fantasy are involved… yep.

Encouraging message! Just be honest with yourself (impersonal you). After all, you can't pretend your way to the truth. You can think that a belief you hold is true - as a matter of fact, we already do - but that doesn't make it true, much less existentially true.

You will never know who is a Ramana and who isn't.  But I do. You're not.  And nor is Leo.  As brilliant as he is. He couldn't achieve it naturally.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He couldn't achieve it naturally.

Why do you always bring this up? 

I don't understand the purpose.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Why do you always bring this up? 

I don't understand the purpose.

Because enlightenment is not achieved through drugs. 

[Inliytened1]

27 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Because enlightenment is not achieved through drugs. 

@Natasha Tori Maru Achieved is a bad word. Its obtained via suffering and mediation.   That's how it happened.  Leo is a brilliant teacher but he's not enlightened.

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[ExploringReality]

 

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Achieved is a bad word. Its obtained via suffering and mediation.   That's how it happened.  Leo is a brilliant teacher but he's not enlightened.

Define Enlightenment please.

 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

 

Define Enlightenment please.

 

Would love to.

If I could.

A dissolving into Infinity.

Edited yesterday at 02:58 AM by Inliytened1

[Hojo]

Sadhguru does he just dosent say it out right.

Edited yesterday at 03:12 AM by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Sadhguru does he just dosent say it out right.

But isn't that a weakness in his teachings if he does not understand that he is alone as God? If he grasps it and does not teach it then he is a failure in my eyes 

 

[Hojo]

@Inliytened1He does teach it. He just dosent use the word. people are scared of the word.

Edited yesterday at 03:20 AM by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1He does teach it. He just dosent use the word.

I really had my doubts about Sadhguru being just another money grab but you guys seem to think he is really enlightened.   Ok.  Maybe.  Just dont get carried away. I actually highly doubt hes truly enlightened. 

Edited yesterday at 03:23 AM by Inliytened1