E. Tolle not in Leo's booklist - too esoteric? Not interesting enough?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Suffering appears to be a consistent theme... Or - key ingredient? (⁠ꏿ⁠﹏⁠ꏿ)

Normal , if your life is great why would you try to trascend anything? The problem is that for your life to be fantastic you have to be a little foolish, otherwise you'll realize the fragility of your world and then things won't be so cool anymore.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Breakingthewall I don't know anyone who knows precisely what causes enlightenment.

[Sandroew]

I love Eckhart Tolle and i think his teachings are very valuable even if people dont get the same effects from it as Eckhart himself.

(That doesnt mean Leo has to add his books to his list.)

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Breakingthewall I don't know anyone who knows precisely what causes enlightenment.

I think that's the point.

It's not supposed to be known, it's supposed to be found out. Infinite process instead of end of a path. Uncharted territory instead of final maps. 

Imagine anyone knew?  What would be the mystery in exploring, seeking it? Just follow instructions. HOW FUCKING BORING IS THAT?

Now the other side: Nobody knows, nobody can teach you, except for YOU. There is a way for every human, but it's unique. Unique to YOU. You have to create your own way do reach that state, express yourself to the maximum of your ability to do so. And it's a infinite continuous process, always changing. What worked yesterday might not work today.  You have to be 100% present every moment so that you don't become a robot on your path.  Now THAT is Alan Watts would call a good game, wouldn't he?  

Edited Monday at 01:23 PM by theleelajoker

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Breakingthewall I don't know anyone who knows precisely what causes enlightenment.

What brings about enlightenment is the dissolution of all limits. I believe it's impossible to exist without any limitations since we are a limited being, so enlightenment is only possible to a certain point.

The point is to reach a point where your system stops operating in a contracted mode and starts operating in an open mode. This is a total change, before and after. After this, you can be at a more or less normal level, with desires and fears, but fundamentally in an open state, or you can be a monk who doesn't move for years in total harmony and burns up without lifting a finger, that's a matter of degree.

The point, what anyone wants, is stopping the contraction and starting the open mode. This changes absolutely the experience. Rumination almost disappears, since rumination is essentially the construction of a identity. Projection into the future is minimized, and the mind settles into the present. This is only possible if the present is not limited by barriers; it's not something you can simply decide to do. The work isn't about deciding to live in the present, it's about breaking down the barriers. It's not so difficult to understand what the barriers are, but they are solid, energetic. They don't break easily.