Does anyone know what they are talking about?

[Mellowmarsh]

18 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I feel like the "there is no you" thing comes from people who have a very distant relation with other people on some level,, not entirely.

Knowing there’s no you is identical with not knowing.

The mind can be a tyrant demanding to know. But all the mind can do is draw knowing from memory which has already passed away. Whereas the immediate present moment, that is neither past or future is forever unwritten. 
 

People tend to be bored with the unwritten so they draw from the memory which is knowledge on demand, and all they are doing in that activity is re creating what’s already passed away. Which is also very boring, so then that’s when the future is projected, a future that hasn’t even happened. Such is the nature of knowledge. It’s illusory.
 

 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Knowing there’s no you is identical with not knowing.

The mind can be a tyrant demanding to know. But all the mind can do is draw knowing from memory which has already passed away. Whereas the immediate present moment, that is neither past or future is forever unwritten. 
 

People tend to be bored with the unwritten so they draw from the memory which is knowledge on demand, and all they are doing in that activity is re creating what’s already passed away. Which is also very boring, so then that’s when the future is projected, a future that hasn’t even happened. Such is the nature of knowledge. It’s illusory.
 

 

When one steps into genuinely not knowing, knowing and not knowing becomes irrelevant.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, James123 said:

When one steps into genuinely not knowing, knowing and not knowing becomes irrelevant.

❤️

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I feel like the "there is no you" thing comes from people who have a very distant relation with other people on some level,, not entirely.

What in your own mind do you personally mean by that statement?

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What in your own mind do you personally mean by that statement?

It seems dissociative to me, but it seems to work for others, and in that case it's ok.  

[Ishanga]

It would be wise to listen to this video, its by Adrian Colby a member here on the forum, he has a thread going in the mental health section, very informative for those interested, its about this sort of disassociated path, nothing means nothing sort of teaching promoted here in this thread, this is what it leads too in Adrian's experience...

 

[Ishanga]

 

[Joseph Maynor]

5 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Knowing there’s no you is identical with not knowing.

The mind can be a tyrant demanding to know. But all the mind can do is draw knowing from memory which has already passed away.

The mind is seen to be a sort of error-generating mechanism when framed this way,  This is what I think I might disagree with.  I have a friendly relation with mind.

[Mellowmarsh]

45 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It seems dissociative to me, but it seems to work for others, and in that case it's ok.  

You can only speak for yourself on the issue of dissociation. Do you personally feel disconnected from yourself and all being a self entails? Or are you projecting?

[Joseph Maynor]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You can only speak for yourself on the issue of dissociation. Do you personally feel disconnected from yourself and all being a self entails? Or are you projecting?

5 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

even hearing the words “I love you”  hurts my ears.

 

[James123]

@Joseph Maynor @Mellowmarsh just talk to mirror any sentences you want and look at your mouth.

What would you see.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It seems dissociative to me, but it seems to work for others, and in that case it's ok.  

Do you personally feel dissociated, or are you projecting?

 

If you do not personally feel dissociated, then who are you referring to, does this one have a name?

[Mellowmarsh]

16 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Joseph Maynor @Mellowmarsh just talk to mirror any sentences you want and look at your mouth.

What would you see.

I see an echo? 

[Mellowmarsh]

54 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I have a friendly relation with mind.

Do you have a friendly relationship with other minds? 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

its about this sort of disassociated path, nothing means nothing sort of teaching promoted here in this thread,

This thread is about human conceptual language. An idea that speaks about labels, which is an idea about ideas.
 

It’s not promoting the idea of dissociation. If you think it is, then would you care to explain why you think that?

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The mind is seen to be a sort of error-generating mechanism when framed this way,  This is what I think I might disagree with. 

The mind mechanism generates many “ thoughts” without doubt or error. What’s not to agree with?

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

This thread is about human conceptual language. An idea that speaks about labels, which is an idea about ideas.
 

It’s not promoting the idea of dissociation. If you think it is, then would you care to explain why you think that?

 

 

Anytime You deny what Is, and that can mean what a Person is Experiencing in this moment, then You deny reality! 

James123 denies reality all the time, you seem to be within him on this.. I have no problem with ppl doing what they want to do and going in any direction they are going in, just expect push back at times when You post it online on a forum.. so I push back, he cannot explain HOW to surrender, or anything that he says one should BE, that means he does not know what he is talking about.. Its just pushing a philosophy that in the end can be very destructive ala Adrian Colby's thread and video and is self promotion it seems...

Dissociation is just that, denying reality, we have this Body and Mind, they are not Us but we have to deal with them, to just say Surrender, or Let Go, is not good enough, its dangerous teaching if you cannot back it up with methods as to How to Surrender or How to Let Go, just saying "Just let go" is not good enough, it lead ppl down a road of hope that ends in suffering and nothing changing in their life...

[Ishanga]

just watch Adrian's video, then come back and tell me what You think..

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Anytime You deny what Is, and that can mean what a Person is Experiencing in this moment, then You deny reality! 

Well speaking for myself only here. I’ve never once denied reality, or denied what is, or what I am personally experiencing.

I don’t need to say a word about reality, reality is without doubt or error. Who would, or could possibly deny they are aware they are aware? Who would be unaware they are aware, or even, aware they are unaware? 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

19 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

James123 denies reality all the time, you seem to be within him on this.. I have no problem with ppl doing what they want to do and going in any direction they are going in, just expect push back at times when You post it online on a forum.. so I push back,

You are more than entitled to push back at the people you assume to be denying reality.

Do you Ishanga personally deny the reality of a concept? Or is the reality of a concept an undeniable impossible to be denied unreality?