Does anyone know what they are talking about?

[Ellonek]

I do. That is why I talk so little.

[Mellowmarsh]

LoL

 

That's a classic, witty line often attributed to the Irish playwright and poet Oscar Wilde, expressing a love for light conversation, small talk, or perhaps even idle gossip, by ironically claiming it's the one subject he truly understands, making it a relatable and humorous observation about human conversation. 

Meaning: It's a paradoxical statement (epigram) that suggests shallow topics are easy to discuss because they require little depth or commitment, unlike profound subjects that might reveal one's own ignorance.

Context: It's often used to describe enjoying trivial conversations or social banter, finding comfort in its simplicity.

Wilde's Style: This quote fits perfectly with Oscar Wilde's wit and his famous epigrams that challenged conventional wisdom. 
 

 

[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's really interesting because everyone seems to have their own unique experience of reality and different way of describing it, due to their different societal conditioning/points of view.

This appearance doesn't require a story to go with it, but there are endless stories nonetheless 😉 

As soon as One expresses via this sort of method of posting on a forum, or talking about it with others, or sharing as a teaching, all of it becomes a story or philosophy to all listening, its helpful but not the Truth, the Truth is only within You as an Experience, everything else is concept, story, philosophy.. Problem is we are addicted to mind and intellect, reading, writing, expressing, watching.. this is fine if You are Living the Truth Experientially, not so fine if you are not, it will lead You further away from Truth and a Living Reality!

[James123]

@Mellowmarsh It is not actually not about knowledge. But, about ownership. 

It is not "oh there is no me, therefore everything is illusion", because in this there is still ownership of the word of illusion or no me.

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

the Truth is only within You as an Experience

No.

[Mellowmarsh]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Mellowmarsh It is not actually not about knowledge. But, about ownership. 

It is not "oh there is no me, therefore everything is illusion", because in this there is still ownership of the word of illusion or no me.

No.

When you say it’s not about knowledge, but, the ownership of knowledge, do you mean like this…

There is no you to know, but only knowing.
There is no you to live your life, but only life.
There is no you to comprehend, but only comprehension.
There is no you to think, but only thought.
There is no you to feel, but only feelings.
There is no you to love, but only love.
No you to die, but only death.
No you to exist, but only existence.
No you to understand, only understanding.
No you to see, only seeing.
No you to be, only being.
No you to be aware, just awareness.

??? 
 

[Ishanga]

This is all denial of what You are and what Is, Your denying your Body and Mind and all that goes with it.

When You say just Surrender, Just Be, yes that is the most direct way but it is negating the Body, Mind, Karma, and is really not helpful, just go to see Yeah Yeah in the mental health section and say that to them, it means Your caught up in an ideology and have no way to relate to others, which is poor understanding and no compassion..

Yes You'll come back with too much thinking, this is not the reality and such, but say that too him.. Remember when Your kids was almost going to die? What happened then, if I said just surrender to it  to your face at that moment you would punch me in the face, so try to relate to others, don't be so stubborn on your ideology identification, and stop the preaching like You know it all, as that is what it coming across, saying this to help You James! Your too arrogant right now..

[James123]

30 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

When you say it’s not about knowledge, but, the ownership of knowledge, do you mean like this…

There is no you to know, but only knowing.
There is no you to live your life, but only life.
There is no you to comprehend, but only comprehension.
There is no you to think, but only thought.
There is no you to feel, but only feelings.
There is no you to love, but only love.
No you to die, but only death.
No you to exist, but only existence.
No you to understand, only understanding.
No you to see, only seeing.
No you to be, only being.
No you to be aware, just awareness.

??? 
 

Actually, birth, death, knowledge etc... happens to body and mind.

But, You are free as always. That doesn't mean you feel amazing or fantastic or full of joy, but simply Being completely free.

Like being exhausted from car driving, which means is being exhausted of being on control. However, when autopilot takes over, complete relaxation (end of controller, end of controlling). Then freedom is always there.

[Mellowmarsh]

22 minutes ago, James123 said:

Actually, birth, death, knowledge etc... happens to body and mind.

But, You are free as always. That doesn't mean you feel amazing or fantastic or full of joy, but simply Being completely free.

Like being exhausted from car driving, which means is being exhausted of being on control. However, when autopilot takes over, complete relaxation (end of controller, end of controlling). Then freedom is always there.

I really understand that James. Very well put. 
 

Once again, I’m in agreement. 💯 Thanks for the clarification. 

[Yimpa]

When LOVE hits you, you’ll know what to say

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

@Mellowmarsh It is not actually not about knowledge. But, about ownership. 

It is not "oh there is no me, therefore everything is illusion", because in this there is still ownership of the word of illusion or no me.

No.

Correct me if I’ve interpreted you wrong, but is what you mean by freedom, the freedom that comes with not owning anything, especially from owing thoughts, like when we sometimes say thoughts are “my thoughts”

But real freedom is not being obsessed with the idea of being the owner of thoughts, but to recognise it’s only the mind that makes them about you. And that this owned you, is not the real you.

 When you realise thoughts are not about the real you, they could simply come and go, and your attention would be freed up from the slavery of owning the thoughts. That’s an awesome freedom, yes? 

[Joseph Maynor]

18 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

freed up from the slavery of owning the thoughts. 

I wonder how many people have been freed up from thoughts in this way.  This implies a kind of ability to control which is interesting.  Like I can control how I regard thoughts.

[James123]

22 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Correct me if I’ve interpreted you wrong, but is what you mean by freedom, the freedom that comes with not owning anything, especially from owing thoughts, like when we sometimes say thoughts are “my thoughts”

But real freedom is not being obsessed with the idea of being the owner of thoughts, but to recognise it’s only the mind that makes them about you. And that this owned you, is not the real you.

 When you realise thoughts are not about the real you, they could simply come and go, and your attention would be freed up from the slavery of owning the thoughts. That’s an awesome freedom, yes? 

İt is simply letting go or surrendering the body and mind.

[Ponder]

Knowledge is possible, but attaining Knowledge with a capital K is much harder and more slippery than most people realize. Reading 'The Book of Not Knowing' atm and it talks about this very thing. 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Ponder said:

Knowledge is possible, but attaining Knowledge with a capital K is much harder and more slippery than most people realize. Reading 'The Book of Not Knowing' atm and it talks about this very thing. 

You won't get it from a book. After You finish the book more questions will arise, more seeking intellectual knowledge.. Intellectual knowledge is good for survival, how to make more money, get more stuff and security of finances, but that is all it can do..

All the real answers are within You.  But first admit you do not know, then naturally You will seek to know, then Your innate intelligence (the thing that makes Your heart beat when Your in deep sleep) will be fully Alive and Active, but don't look for knowing in a book, just find out why you are not peaceful of your own nature right now and then a method to take that obstruction away, then Your at Peace, via that You will have a certain amount of Clarity and Knowing, but it is not book knowing, its experiential knowing, from there things naturally go on, from peace to joy from joy to Bliss, then Your really on Your way to Spiritual Enlightenment, but if Peace is not natural for You, then don't talk about Spirituality or Enlightenment, fix the peace part first... 

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt is simply letting go or surrendering the body and mind.

See.. just surrender, please sir how to surrender when I want to kill myself (see Yeah Yeah in mental health section)?

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I wonder how many people have been freed up from thoughts in this way.  This implies a kind of ability to control which is interesting.  Like I can control how I regard thoughts.

Well I’m only talking from my own personal direct experience. I have personally discovered an awesome freedom from owning thought, and the false belief that thoughts are “my thoughts”

 There’s just observation noticing that thoughts are completely free flowing, they come and go, and there’s nothing making them come and go, and there’s nothing to stop them from coming and going. This is simply noticed that there’s no ownership controlling thoughts at all.
 

 

 

 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Well I’m only talking from my own personal direct experience. I have personally discovered an awesome freedom from owning thought, and the false belief that thoughts are “my thoughts”

 There’s just observation noticing that thoughts are completely free flowing, they come and go, and there’s nothing making them come and go, and there’s nothing to stop them from coming and going. This is simply noticed that there’s no ownership controlling thoughts at all.
 

 

 

 

What is My, or Me? Figure that out, then realize that mind is just doing what it is supposed to which is think, but its gone out of control nowadays for most because our our messed up culture and mind identification.. We can either quiet the mind (there are methods for this) or distance what we are from the mind (gain space, methods for this too) its like turning down the volume on the radio, you don't hear or see the thoughts as intensely anymore...

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

See.. just surrender, please sir how to surrender when I want to kill myself (see Yeah Yeah in mental health section)?

Surrendering doesn't kill it, because , something can be killed, which has began or born.

But, surrendering vanishes it as never there. Because, ownership of birth vanishes, therefore never began.

[Mellowmarsh]

17 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt is simply letting go or surrendering the body and mind.

It is, yes, and it’s very easy to let go, and that’s true liberation, the freedom from the fear of truly letting go.

 

Maybe some don’t understand this radical freedom, but I do, and you do too James, I see it. It’s pure beauty because it’s giving everything back to God. It’s pure bliss. 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Surrendering doesn't kill it, because , something can be killed, which has began or born.

But, surrendering vanishes it as never there. Because, ownership of birth vanishes, therefore never began.

Yes but how you didn't answer the question, you keep bring it up, just let go, just surrender but how..

see this thread, tell him to just surrender..

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/111024-am-i-actually-allowed-to-kill-myself-or-not/