Inner Monologue

[Judy2]

i've been observing my inner monologue and it sometimes seems as though it's more of a dialogue. like there's the inner voice just rambling thoughts all day long, and some kind of responder going "true", "yes we should do that", "are you sure?", "not really, right?", "but i also feel that....", but maybe this "responder" is also more emotional/me trying to sense any sort of reaction that my system may have to a given statement. or maybe it's just the (illusory) thinker/perceiver divide that i become aware of in these moments? is this just me sensing the individual "parts" that my self consists of, or how would you describe this phenomenon? 

idk what's the broader significance of this, it's just something i've been noticing.

 

perhaps it speaks to how much i'm generally identified with this voice in my head. 

when i'm at the gym doing cardio, it's a unique situation because i can basically tell myself "look, i don't even have to do anything right now" because all i have to do is endure a bit of physical pain, but finally my inner voice isn't required to achieve anything in that moment (other than dealing with the boredom). it's kind of fascinating how much bs my thoughts keep rambling all day just because they don't have anything else to do lol. it's like all they can do is talk, and so they talk, and talk, and talk.

when i'm still sleepy in the mornings, and my brain starts talking, sometimes i'm more likely to see how nonsensical all of it is, and how i'm just making random statements in my head.

 

any thoughts on this? what is your inner monologue like if you have one? is it totally coherent or a bit scattered, like mine?

i know that not all people have an inner monologue. some also aren't able to imagine visuals inside their head due to aphantasia. i have both the visuals and the monologue, with greater emphasis on the monologue/inner voice.

[Hojo]

Its the same schizophrenic thing talking to itself.

When you work out it turns off.

You arent any of the voices in your head.

Even the one that says its not the voice.

Its called a tulpa.

Edited yesterday at 05:10 PM by Hojo

[Judy2]

Just now, Hojo said:

Its the same schizophrenic thing talking to itself.

put like that, it sounds scary.

[Judy2]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

When you work out it turns off.

it's funny because i feel a lot of boredom during cardio, and then the one thing i could do is make calculations with the time and speed and distance, but my math brain shuts down when i'm running. 

[Hojo]

@Judy2Yes you have schizophrenia we all do. Society  breeds it and lies to you about it. You just gotta be conscious of it. Once you create a tulpa its there like a real person.

[Hojo]

@Judy2When you see people who are 'shizophrenic ' thats the tail end of the shizophrenic tulpa taking over the body.

Edited yesterday at 05:17 PM by Hojo

[Hojo]

@Judy2Society is doing black magic on us

Edited yesterday at 05:17 PM by Hojo

[Judy2]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Judy2When you see people who are 'shizophrenic ' thats the tail end of the shizophrenic tulpa taking over the body.

i think i don't really know what schizophrenia means.

[Hojo]

@Judy2It means you have a voice inside your head that you think you are that talks to you. You dont even exist to talk to yourself. Talking to yourself means schizophrenia.

Edited yesterday at 05:21 PM by Hojo

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

i've been observing my inner monologue and it sometimes seems as though it's more of a dialogue. like there's the inner voice just rambling thoughts all day long, and some kind of responder going "true", "yes we should do that", "are you sure?", "not really, right?", "but i also feel that....", but maybe this "responder" is also more emotional/me trying to sense any sort of reaction that my system may have to a given statement. or maybe it's just the (illusory) thinker/perceiver divide that i become aware of in these moments? is this just me sensing the individual "parts" that my self consists of, or how would you describe this phenomenon? 

idk what's the broader significance of this, it's just something i've been noticing.

 

perhaps it speaks to how much i'm generally identified with this voice in my head. 

when i'm at the gym doing cardio, it's a unique situation because i can basically tell myself "look, i don't even have to do anything right now" because all i have to do is endure a bit of physical pain, but finally my inner voice isn't required to achieve anything in that moment (other than dealing with the boredom). it's kind of fascinating how much bs my thoughts keep rambling all day just because they don't have anything else to do lol. it's like all they can do is talk, and so they talk, and talk, and talk.

when i'm still sleepy in the mornings, and my brain starts talking, sometimes i'm more likely to see how nonsensical all of it is, and how i'm just making random statements in my head.

 

any thoughts on this? what is your inner monologue like if you have one? is it totally coherent or a bit scattered, like mine?

i know that not all people have an inner monologue. some also aren't able to imagine visuals inside their head due to aphantasia. i have both the visuals and the monologue, with greater emphasis on the monologue/inner voice.

If you know why mind talks, you will solve the problem.

[Judy2]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Judy2It means you have a voice inside your head that you think you are that talks to you. You dont even exist to talk to yourself.

isn't it the case that schizophrenics outsource this voice in their head more and experience it as intrusive?

[Hojo]

@Judy2It depends on your worldview the voice can be positive it can be negative it can be intrusive it can be welcomed. It all depends on what people told you about yourself and your traumas and shit.

Yes there are some that will outsource it but don't realize that they are the ones outsourcing them.

You are something but its not a voice and its not voices and its not a body or a mind.

You are the space between the thoughts.

Society forces you to create them when they make you sit down and read silently in your mind. This creates a voice in your head and the ability to create other voices.

Edited yesterday at 05:28 PM by Hojo

[Judy2]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

You are something but its not a voice and its not voices and its not a body or a mind.

yes. i forget about it often, but Life is much more real and immediate than the finite person that i think i am.

like even (and only) now. i [perceive] my surroundings and the body and the thoughts....so if anything, i am (my) Life, rather than some conceptual person at the interface of some external separate world i'm "interacting" with. it should be obvious but we overlook this so often.

Life is a much simpler, united notion, as opposed to the conceptual separate self that is interacting with a separate world, undergoing a constant process of perceiving, doing, interacting.

Edited yesterday at 05:32 PM by Judy2

[Hojo]

@Judy2You can practice with your imagination. Instead of having a POV outside your eyes imagine your POV is above your head. This will dissociate you from thoughts.

Edited yesterday at 05:33 PM by Hojo

[CARDOZZO]

What is inner monologue? Where does it occur for yourself? What is the difference between a real face-to-face conversation x inner monologue?

[Judy2]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Judy2You can practice with your imagination. Instead of having a POV outside your eyes imagine your POV is above your head.

i had an lsd trip a few years ago where i was shocked for half an hour because i figured out i had never seen a single thing in my life, and i can't see. it felt like such a familiar insight, like i'd only forgotten about it some time ago, but i had known this before and it was just shocking to remember. really cool:)

Edited yesterday at 05:38 PM by Judy2

[Judy2]

1 minute ago, CARDOZZO said:

What is inner monologue? Where does it occur for yourself? What is the difference between a real face-to-face conversation x inner monologue?

sometimes it's so loud that i have to ask the people i'm with if i already said that thing out loud or only thought about saying it.

but i realise that's not what you're asking:) i will try to feel more into it. 

also not what you're asking, but thoughts are fascinating because where do they even take place?

[Hojo]

@Judy2

Try to view life from your soul star chackra. When you are visualizing visualize from there. When you are in imagination imagine from there. Keep doing it now the thoughts arent even you. Just some nonsense from the lower realms.

Edited yesterday at 05:41 PM by Hojo

[Judy2]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Judy2

Try to view life from your soul star chackra. When you are visualizing visualize from there. When you are in imagination imagine from there. Keep doing it now the thoughts arent even you.

ok i'll try it out:)

[CARDOZZO]

30 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

sometimes it's so loud that i have to ask the people i'm with if i already said that thing out loud or only thought about saying it.

but i realise that's not what you're asking:) i will try to feel more into it. 

also not what you're asking, but thoughts are fascinating because where do they even take place?

I'll recommend "Ending Unnecessary Suffering" and "Genius of Being" by Peter Ralston.