Adyashanti - Good Karma? Bad Karma?

[Hojo]

@RisingLaneYou are basically just a room that never moved and objects come in and out. You arent even the room you are assigned to the room by God. The room morphs and changes based on you the nothing observing the room. The nothing can feel and change the room to what its feeling.

Outside the room you are a static thing with infinite possibilties and we are each one and we can influence eachothers rooms.

We can curse eachother and bring eachother down or bless eachother and bring eachother up. God dosent care but if the owner of the room finds out he can spiritually send the energy back to its owner and their room will get fucked up. Like a return to sender curse.

Edited 23 hours ago by Hojo

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

only argued the absurdity of free will logically

Reality is in motion and develops, evolves, and finds new dimensions of being. Who directs this movement? Someone superior to you? Why do you think there could be someone superior to you? In an unlimited framework, there is no vertical hierarchy. A universe is the same as an ant.

[RisingLane]

19 minutes ago, Hojo said:

No free will to do something but free will to feel about it.

I'm not so sure about that. That's a skill that develops gradually with age and awareness, but it’s still not exactly the same as free will.

[Hojo]

@RisingLaneYou already know but must forget when you come down to these realms and re learn. You are thrown into the pit of forgetfulness to remember. Depending on how sensitive you are you will find out or wont find out.

Edited 23 hours ago by Hojo

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality is in motion and develops, evolves, and finds new dimensions of being. Who directs this movement? Someone superior to you? Why do you think there could be someone superior to you? In an unlimited framework, there is no vertical hierarchy. A universe is the same as an ant.

As infinity or the whole of reality you have infinite free will.. But within infinity you appear to be a human who has finite choices.

I can say it like this as well..you are awareness aware of a being that seems to be making choices ..however any choice that being makes  is a reaction to  environment..upbringing..education and other factors.you as a human not reality  have no control over likes and dislikes..thoughts..behaviour patterns and actions..and you dont have to believe me..check direct experience please .

Everyone begins at 0..empty a baby yet they are shaped by their surroundings.  if you switch a serial killer's upbringing he could be a model citizen.

Edited 23 hours ago by Someone here

[RisingLane]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@RisingLaneYou already know but must forget when you come down to these realms and re learn. You are thrown into the pit of forgetfulness to remember. Depending on how sensitive you are you will find out or wont find out.

If everything is predetermined, then whether we learn it or not has already been decided.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

be a human who has finite choices.

Sure, but choices at the end. Why would one focusing in what you can't do when you can focus in what you can do? Even it's small, it's everything 

[RisingLane]

Interesting thread on Reddit.

"The whole programme is chalked out. ‘Not an atom moves except by His Will’ expresses the same truth, whether you say ‘Does not move except by His Will’, or ‘Does not move except by karma’. As for freedom for man, he is always free not to identify himself with the body and not to be affected by the pleasures and pains consequent on the body’s activities."

[Hojo]

@RisingLaneThere is something not in the room watching the room. Its not decided how you feel. That all depends on you remembering God.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

but choices at the end.

They are not choices dude ! Go choose between having sex with a playboy model and eating a dish of shit . You think you are actually choosing the sex instead of it just being programmed like a robot to love one and despise the other ?

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Interesting thread on Reddit.

"The whole programme is chalked out. ‘Not an atom moves except by His Will’ expresses the same truth, whether you say ‘Does not move except by His Will’, or ‘Does not move except by karma’. As for freedom for man, he is always free not to identify himself with the body and not to be affected by the pleasures and pains consequent on the body’s activities."

The playing ground is chalked out and constructed (predetermined), all for You to PLAY how you please (Free will)!

[RisingLane]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The playing ground is chalked out and constructed (predetermined), all for You to PLAY how you please (Free will)!

If I can do as I please, why can’t I fly to the moon? It’s clear that this wasn’t meant for me in this lifetime, so it won’t happen no matter what I try.

[Ishanga]

22 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

If I can do as I please, why can’t I fly to the moon? It’s clear that this wasn’t meant for me in this lifetime, so it won’t happen no matter what I try.

First you can fly in Yours dreams, the brain does not know the difference btwn something vidly imagined and something that happened for real, so use this imagination that God gave us and fly boy:)

Second when our bodies our bound by physics as are all physical things, we have limited freedom, not unlimited freedom when it comes to what body can do, but we invented planes to fly around in so we used our minds to invent planes so we can fly,  

Free Will for me is more about choosing how I am within myself, what I create within myself and via that choice I can determine where my life is going, vs having no control, feeling like shit and doing nothing about it and nothing happening in life other than suffering..

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

can do as I please, why can’t I fly to the moon? It’s clear that this wasn’t meant for me in this lifetime, so it won’t happen no matter what I try.

It's not about doing what you want. We usually want things because we feel incomplete and believe that achieving certain goals will make us complete, but it doesn't work that way; it works the other way around.

You feel complete by aligning yourself with the tendency that your life circumstances, your nature, expect of you. The question isn't what I want, but what life wants from me. If you operate in the "I want things" dimension, you will never, ever be satisfied. You are a black hole that absorbs energy and is never filled.

On the other hand, if you operate in the sense of aligning yourself, you will be satisfied in the trenches of World War I, surrounded by corpses of your friends eaten by rats. That's how the game works.

Edited 22 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[RisingLane]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not about doing what you want. We usually want things because we feel incomplete and believe that achieving certain goals will make us complete, but it doesn't work that way; it works the other way around.

You feel complete by aligning yourself with the tendency that your life circumstances, your nature, expect of you. The question isn't what I want, but what life wants from me. If you operate in the "I want things" dimension, you will never, ever be satisfied. You are a black hole that absorbs energy and is never filled.

On the other hand, if you operate in the sense of aligning yourself, you will be satisfied in the trenches of World War I, surrounded by corpses of your friends eaten by rats. That's how the game works.

Yes, it's about loving what is. What is, is God's will.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Yes, it's about loving what is. What is, is God's will.

Define God.,..If You say some oldman with a beard up in heaven, I'll find You and Aumm You to death:)

Don't luv what is, just Accept it, unless Your being tortured, pretty well impossible to luv/accept that!

Edited 22 hours ago by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Yes, it's about loving what is. What is, is God's will.

Well, for me not exactly. I absolutely hate many things. There are a lot of things that I won't do and I would prefer to die. If it's necessary I would organize a genocidal war and then dance around our impaled and burned-alive enemies. If that's what life expects of me, of course . Or maybe I simply commit suicide, depending 

Edited 22 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

It seems there are those that follow the let what is be what it is on all levels of life, they think they have no choice in any matter, but do they choose what to wear or what to eat or how many breaths they take each min or what to look at/not look at? Choice is everywhere in our lives if you look at it...even the choice to believe there is no choice!!

As soon as someone says there is no choices being made, and I say there is, right there is obvious proof that there is choice lol...

Edited 22 hours ago by Ishanga

[RisingLane]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Define God.,..If You say some oldman with a beard up in heaven, I'll find You and Aumm You to death:)

Why would a follower of Actualized.org define God in that way? God is Infinite Nothingness.

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Don't luv what is, just Accept it

Maybe loving it and accepting it are the same thing. 

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

unless Your being tortured, pretty well impossible to luv that!

Tell that to Jesus.

[RisingLane]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, for me not exactly. I absolutely hate many things. There are a lot of things that I won't do and I would prefer to die. If it's necessary I would organize a genocidal war and then dance around our impaled and burned-alive enemies. If that's what life expects of me, of course . Or maybe I simply commit suicide, depending 

Reminds me of Jed McKenna, who claimed he’d rather end his own life than spend a year in prison, or even push children in front of a train if that’s what the universe required of him.