Adyashanti - Good Karma? Bad Karma?

[RisingLane]

This is the most honest and direct he has ever been. He is essentially telling us that we are not in control.

This might be the most candid speech I've ever heard. The sheer honesty is astounding – I can't believe he got away with saying all that! Then again, I suppose only Adya could pull something like that off.

Listen to this talk three times, take notes on it, then go suffer for a few years, and then come back and listen to it again. That's how profound this talk is.

Edited 52 minutes ago by RisingLane

[Ishanga]

Listen, if predetermination exist, if no control exist, so does Free Will and total control.. Too many become one sided, don't go in that direction.  Do You really want to go thru life thinking You have no control? I certainly do not.. 

Now there is always an element of no control, I cannot control someone else driving a car and hitting my car, I can only control my car and how I drive it, so there are variable in situations like that..

But when it comes to how I respond to the situation of getting hit by another car, that is totally under my control if I want it too be, as is my interior Experience of Life, that is under my control if I want it too be and that is where Life is found! None of Us have ever experienced anything outside of ourselves, all Experience happens within You/Each of Us, so we can control how we experience life, how we respond to life and situations, accepting of life situations, and living Now or past/future, that is all under our control if I want it too be..

 

Edited yesterday at 02:01 PM by Ishanga

[RisingLane]

10 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Do You really want to go thru life thinking You have no control?

I do, actually. It makes life easier, doesn’t it? Pure, beautiful surrender—a sense of relief—just watching the show unfold. So why the need to be in charge of everything?

It feels like Sadhguru isn’t being completely honest, even though there’s value in what he says. It just doesn’t seem like the whole truth. You can’t appeal to a wide audience with complete honesty, and it seems his main goal is to reach as many people as possible.

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

I do, actually. It makes life easier, doesn’t it? Pure, beautiful surrender—a sense of relief—just watching the show unfold. So why the need to be in charge of everything?

It feels like Sadhguru isn’t being completely honest, even though there’s value in what he says. It just doesn’t seem like the whole truth. You can’t appeal to a wide audience with complete honesty, and it seems his main goal is to reach as many people as possible.

OMG okay, life is too be lived as one sees fit:) That is your choice!

Edited yesterday at 02:24 PM by Ishanga

[RisingLane]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

OMG okay, life is too be lived as one sees fit:) That is your choice!

Thank you. I take full responsibility for this choice.

[Someone here]

@Ishanga hi there .we've discussed the topic of free will and choice before. 

6 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Do You really want to go thru life thinking You have no control? I certainly do not.. 

The framing is false and I don't even need to clarify why or how . No one cares what you prefer ..that's a different question than is there actually free will or not ? You understand right? 

You can only do what you end up Doing.

Stuff can be done and will be done via the body-mind.  This is not to be confused with free will and choice .   See choice implies a you and two simultaneous events. Choice A and choice B... Let's say you want to choose between A and B... That means you must have two instances of existence at the same time.. To evaluate two different instances at the same moment.. This is impossible.. When you are aware of A you are not aware of B.. When you are aware of B you are not aware of A. 

[Hojo]

No free will to do something but free will to feel about it. How you feel will change the dream. Similar to if you have a nightmare and get scared it gets worse. If you have a nightmare and feel strength the nightmare reflects and runs away.

Is it bad karma if you can feel good about it?

Also never tell ishanga sadhguru is wrong or contradictive he will lose it and get bad karma for questioning anything related to sadhguru. Which completely goes against sadhgurus teachings. He getting negative karma from sadhguru and dosent see it

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[Ishanga]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Ishanga hi there .we've discussed the topic of free will and choice before. 

The framing is false and I don't even need to clarify why or how . No one cares what you prefer ..that's a different question than is there actually free will or not ? You understand right? 

You can only do what you end up Doing.

Stuff can be done and will be done via the body-mind.  This is not to be confused with free will and choice .   See choice implies a you and two simultaneous events. Choice A and choice B... Let's say you want to choose between A and B... That means you must have two instances of existence at the same time.. To evaluate two different instances at the same moment.. This is impossible.. When you are aware of A you are not aware of B.. When you are aware of B you are not aware of A. 

Hogwash!

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

No free will to do something but free will to feel about it. How you feel will change the dream. Similar to if you have a nightmare and get scared it gets worse. If you have a nightmare and feel strength the nightmare reflects and runs away.

Is it bad karma if you can feel good about it?

Also never tell ishanga sadhguru is wrong or contradictive he will lose it and get bad karma for questioning anything related to sadhguru. Which completely goes against sadhgurus teachings. He getting negative karma from sadhguru and dosent see it

more hogwash lol..

I guess I'm going to hell for posting the Adam Chan video about Taoism the other day...gosh why would I watch a video of another person if I am so obsessed with Sadhguru?? Things that make me go ummm:)

Edited 21 hours ago by Ishanga

[Someone here]

@Ishanga I take that as you have zero argument against what I have said . 

[Hojo]

@Ishanga its om not aum.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Ishanga I take that as you have zero argument against what I have said . 

no, I'm just thru with discussing things with spiritual idiots!

[Hojo]

@Ishanga lol. Why you so mad bro.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[Ishanga]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Ishanga its om not aum.

I'll find You and Aummm you to death if You keep this up:)

[Breakingthewall]

You have the power to shape your circumstances. What you are as a self is above all the impulse in one direction.

Our circumstances are defined by countless factors, by the totality of the flow of reality, but within that flow our gaze points in one direction, and that impulse is the will of reality. There is no other reality directing us like puppets, no master director.

There are countless forces and wills creating the flow, and yours is an expression of that will. You are that.

[Someone here]

@Ishanga and why the insult ? You seem offended when I just argued logically with you and didn't cross any lines . Also don't blend me together with Hojo..just because he trolls you about Sadhguru you blend me with him . I don't give a fuck about Sadhguru go watch him all day .I only argued the absurdity of free will logically .

Edited 21 hours ago by Someone here

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Ishanga and why the insult ? You seem offended when I just argued logically with you and didn't cross any lines . Also don't blind me together with Hojo..just because he trolls you about Sadhguru you blind me with him . I don't give a fuck about Sadhguru go watch him all day .I only argued the absurdity of free will logically .

I did not insult You, You choose to feel insulted:)

[Someone here]

Blend not blind .sorry lol

[Someone here]

@Ishanga OK gotcha. Zero argument. No worries take care bye .

[RisingLane]

Sages have been claiming for ages that free will is an illusion. What do you think "there is no doer" means? Modern science is starting to acknowledge this truth. Consider Robert Sapolsky's work on the subject: