Why the CCP works and other new democracies don't

[Stick]

I had this accumulating realization that the Chinese model of governance is not bad for China. I would even say it works great. That is not to say that you will have free speech and your rights will definitely be not violated by the government, but rather that the current system is perfect for China.
What I have been noticing is that when we talk about political system like capitalism, socialism, democracy etc. We rate them from a very modern western standards and try to apply them in Underdeveloped nations.
For example: Socialism works great in Scandinavia, Switzerland and some other European countries, but it birthed a new dictatorship when it was applied in early 1900s Russia. The difference is people. Scandinavian people are generally upper stage orange, green and some even tier 2 where as Russian peasants were stage red and blue. OF COURSE A STAGE GREEN SYSTEM IS NOT GONNA WORK IN STAGE RED.
Using the example of China, most old people are still blue whereas young people are slowly shifting orange. How can we expect them to vote for the development of the nation instead of whatever serves them immediately the most. Democracy is not the best governance for them.
In my country Nepal, People vote for the party that gives them free meal and petrol. Remember, the government that was overthrown was democratically elected. The same thing might happen after this interim election. Hopefully people even in remote villages that are prone to the meal petrol tactic have developed enough understanding to not vote for the status quo.
In a democracy, people must be sufficiently developed too. Even nations like USA is suffering from a political divide. People who normally don't give a fuck about politics, feel a need to participate in US politics which radicalizes them instead of making them more truth oriented.
Of course, it is only bad because the people are underdeveloped. If everyone was stage yellow and above democracy would sail as smoothly as a ship on calm waters.

[Elliott]

The CCP 'works' because it works for Western liberal democracies. Literally works for them, China has not built itself alone nor can it sustain it's advancement alone.

[Basman]

When you don't have limits on power your hoping that power isn't abused (which it is in the case of Tibetans, Uyghurs, Hong Kongers, Falung Gong practitioners, human rights activists and political dissidents, both domestically and internationally). 

The upside of a dictatorship is that you can plan for the long-term without having to worry about elections and pleasing voters. China prepared for the EV boom that way. The downsides of a democracy is that it requires an educated populace to work and that people tend to be quiet depoliticized. 

But like Elliott mentioned, China has a slew of wealthy liberal democracies as customers, from whose innovations it built itself off. Even the concept of progress is a western invention. Their success didn't happen in a vaccum. 

[DocWatts]

It 'works' if you value industrialization without democracy.

As the US backslides from a democracy into a hybrid regime (mixed authoritarian-democratic regime), it's also becoming poorer, crueler, more corrupt, and more dysfunctional.

Needless to say, naked, unaccountable power shouldn't be the end goal of a civilized society.

[Lyubov]

China has done a good job fixing it’s image on social media post COVID. They have some nice infrastructure and manufacturing no doubt. Yet you overlook the human cost this comes with. If you don’t mind having a large portion of your life intertwined with constant surveillance and control then in some ways living in a country with shiny buildings and high speed trains has its perks. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they are capitalist with goverments strong enough to employ wide range of social welfare policies. Socialism means state has absolute control over the means of production. 

Honestly I don't see China as very much ahead of the west at all, they are suffering from the exact same problems it just seems like they got their shit together more because of their propaganda, because their economy looks to be best on stats, and cause they got that hard working obedient sort of culture with all dopamine spiking BS banned. But it doesn't seem to give them much of a lead at all

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they are capitalist with goverments strong enough to employ wide range of social welfare policies. Socialism means state has absolute control over the means of production. 

Honestly I don't see China as very much ahead of the west at all, they are suffering from the exact same problems it just seems like they got their shit together more because of their propaganda, because their economy looks to be best on stats, and cause they got that hard working obedient sort of culture with all dopamine spiking BS banned. But it doesn't seem to give them much of a lead at all

Their government is able to go through with a lot of infrastructure projects and whatnot because it’s so centralized. Of course if you have a few people with a bunch of power they can be quite efficient at times. Look up a city called Shenzhen. They basically relocated all the original people that lived there for hundreds of years, farmers, eminent domain stripping them of their land. This is the thing all the China glazers don’t get, that centralized efficiency comes at the cost of human rights and liberties. You’re fine with it until it comes for something you have, then you don’t have any recourse.

[Breathe]

14 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

You’re fine with it until it comes for something you have, then you don’t have any recourse.

I'm afraid that's where the US is headed

[Basman]

Scandinavian countries are social democracies. Capitalist but the populace contribute to welfare programs through extensive taxation and the government heavily regulates business. Very liberal in spirit. It's not reformist or revolutionary, like true socialism. 

Something like the nordic model works in Scandinavia because the culture is compatible. People are not that ambitious, easily content and decently educated. They are bit dogmatic about liberal values as well. You don't tend to see that same fiery ambition there as you see in Americans. 

[hyruga]

Ccp works because it is only communist country by name now. Ccp is just about as democratic as other democratic countries.

Look up Deng Xiaoping. He's the man who transformed China.