Why tf do we not talk about COVID?

[Elliott]

7 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Sure dude. Because a bunch of asshole billionaires bribed their way into getting Ivy League degrees, that means we don’t need educated doctors, pilots, chemists, engineers, police commissioners, cancer researchers, etc etc. If a plane has a mechanic problem, no problem, just stick some duct tape on it! If someone has cancer? No problem, just take some aspirin!

Who needs education right? If someone needs a kidney removed just ask dad for some scissors and he’ll sort it all out! 😂 

Are you a socialist?

Do you think the ivy league produces CEOs and stock traders, or how many people that cured cancer have they produced?

I'm an environmentalist, fuck aeroplanes, fuck chemicals.

[D2sage]

8 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

If someone needs a kidney removed just ask dad for some scissors and he’ll sort it all out! 😂 

You can get your kidney removed for free in Mexico if you're bold enough.

The best thing to do about COVID is not to talk about COVID. Did you take the shot? Don't tell anybody. Did you not take it? Don't tell anybody.

Urban life definitely takes a toll on your mental and physical well-being, sooner or later, whether you realize it or not.

Life hack: hire a cabin in the woods, grab that axe, and cut down some tinder for the fire to warm you. It's a good practice that will make you a robust human, and you can handle urbanization with ease. 

[Apparition of Jack]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Are you a socialist?

Do you think the ivy league produces CEOs and stock traders, or how many people that cured cancer have they produced?

I'm an environmentalist, fuck aeroplanes, fuck chemicals.

Where do you live? Are you in the countryside? 
 

If you reject modern urban living, that’s good for you, really I’m under no illusions that modernity is perfect, but unfortunately that’s just not practical for a civilisation of hundreds of millions of people. Modern society has many problems but I don’t think trying to research cancer or make cars safer is one of them. We could absolutely make the world more environmentally sustainable, but that would still require education actually (how else do we build solar panels or use less water in our farming techniques?)

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, D2sage said:

You can get your kidney removed for free in Mexico if you're bold enough.

The best thing to do about COVID is not to talk about COVID. Did you take the shot? Don't tell anybody. Did you not take it? Don't tell anybody.

Urban life definitely takes a toll on your mental and physical well-being, sooner or later, whether you realize it or not.

Life hack: hire a cabin in the woods, grab that axe, and cut down some tinder for the fire to warm you. It's a good practice that will make you a robust human, and you can handle urbanization with ease. 

That Mexican surgeon still also had an education though. It’s not like universities only exist in rich countries lol 💀 

Also yes I agree, spending time in the country is one of the best things someone can do if they have access to it. But again, we’re talking about cities of millions of people. It’s not practical to just say if kids are struggling during lockdown everyone should just move to their lakeside cabin, especially when most people don’t own one of these.

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Where do you live? Are you in the countryside? 
 

If you reject modern urban living, that’s good for you, really I’m under no illusions that modernity is perfect, but unfortunately that’s just not practical for a civilisation of hundreds of millions of people. Modern society has many problems but I don’t think trying to research cancer or make cars safer is one of them. We could absolutely make the world more environmentally sustainable, but that would still require education actually (how else do we build solar panels or use less water in our farming techniques?)

Listen, I don't hate education, I LOVE education. But you, place too much importance on our education system, it does not cure cancer, it does not do most things, people do, people that learn novel things because they themselves figured something out, with the help of education but not purely because of the education system. It's a tool, not utilized correctly by most, only by a few positive innovators in which MOST credit is due to them PERSONALLY and not the system.

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[Apparition of Jack]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Listen, I don't hate education, I LOVE education. But you, place to much importance on our education system, it does not cure cancer, it does not do most things, people do, people that learn novel things because they themselves figured something out, with the help of education bit not purely because of yhe education system. It's a tool, not utilized correctly by most, only by a few positive innovators in which MOST credit is due to them PERSONALLY and not the system.

Didnt you get an education? Where did you learn to read and write? How did you learn to deal with other people (like learning how to not be a bully or learning how to get things done in a group?)

again I’m not saying the education system we have is perfect, far from it in fact, but can we at least agree that having kids know how to read, know how to write, know how to do basic maths and know how to get along in a group is a good thing? I’m not saying educations only purpose is to turn everyone into rocket scientists or tech CEOs, obviously that’s not a reasonable goal. But it is destined to teach kids the basics of thinking, grammar and socialising they need to get by in the world (otherwise they turn into wolf children who only speak in barks lol)

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[Elliott]

28 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

 

again I’m not saying the education system we have is perfect, far from it in fact, but can we at least agree that having kids know how to read, know how to write, know how to do basic maths and know how to get along in a group is a good thing?

Absolutely, but not stopped or appreciably encumbered by two years remote.

 

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[Elliott]

The longest closure I see is 5 months, not 2 years. Summer vacation is usually 3 months.

[Apparition of Jack]

7 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Absolutely, but not stopped or appreciably encumbered by two years remote.

 

I don’t get why you’re so hung up on that number. Maybe it was only six months, maybe it was more, the fact is it had a huge negative impact on kid’s brains, not being able to physically engage with friends, schoolyards, etc. 
 

Like I don’t see why this is so hard for you to accept. This isn’t me saying that kids who spent a week off school because of a snowstorm all turned into weed smoking vagabonds, lol. Schools would have to open and close if a new wave of COVID came about. A lot of parents lost their jobs or had to work from home, making the living conditions even more cramped. We were basically prisoners whilst the virus was around, it obviously had negative mental health impacts on countless people.

What about university students who had to drop out because all the facilities shut? What about people with kids who had to move in with their parents after they lost their job because of the pandemic? 
 

Im still really struggling to understand why this is so hard for you to accept. Teachers, parents, hell the bloody kids THEMSELVES are all saying they were seriously fucked over by the pandemic. Countless kids have said they’ve become anxious, can’t concentrate, feel isolated due to the effects of the pandemic and prolonged, sudden isolation of lockdown. Not to mention, again, the physical effects COVID can cause.

 

What part of this is hard for you to accept? It’s not the “parents responsibility” to prevent a global disease breakout, no human being has that power, let alone two random office workers with a couple of school kids. 
 

What part of those reports do you disagree with? Why do you deny what teachers, counsellors, students etc are all saying about what COVID has done to them?

[Elliott]

Just now, Apparition of Jack said:

I don’t get why you’re so hung up on that number. Maybe it was only six months, maybe it was more, the fact is it had a huge negative impact on kid’s brains, not being able to physically engage with friends, schoolyards, etc. 
 

Like I don’t see why this is so hard for you to accept. This isn’t me saying that kids who spent a week off school because of a snowstorm all turned into weed smoking vagabonds, lol. Schools would have to open and close if a new wave of COVID came about. A lot of parents lost their jobs or had to work from home, making the living conditions even more cramped. We were basically prisoners whilst the virus was around, it obviously had negative mental health impacts on countless people.

What about university students who had to drop out because all the facilities shut? What about people with kids who had to move in with their parents after they lost their job because of the pandemic? 
 

Im still really struggling to understand why this is so hard for you to accept. Teachers, parents, hell the bloody kids THEMSELVES are all saying they were seriously fucked over by the pandemic. Countless kids have said they’ve become anxious, can’t concentrate, feel isolated due to the effects of the pandemic and prolonged, sudden isolation of lockdown. Not to mention, again, the physical effects COVID can cause.

 

What part of this is hard for you to accept? It’s not the “parents responsibility” to prevent a global disease breakout, no human being has that power, let alone two random office workers with a couple of school kids. 
 

What part of those reports do you disagree with? Why do you deny what teachers, counsellors, students etc are all saying about what COVID has done to them?

It's relative, kids are/were already fucked up in the way you're worried about.

[Elliott]

Do you know how many kids are retarded by screens? Far more than covid.

[Apparition of Jack]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's relative, kids are/were already fucked up in the way you're worried about.

you might as well say the Vietnam War didnt cause PTSD because “trauma existed beforehand.” It’s just such a nothing statement completely removed from material reality. 
 

Just watch this video man. Doctors who deal with kids are literally saying the pandemic had widespread impacts on kids. Is he lying? 
 

 

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Do you know how many kids are retarded by screens? Far more than covid.

Again, COVID made the problem 100x worse. It’s like saying Cartels aren’t a problem in Mexico because “drugs have always been around.” Yes that’s true, but the cartels have become far worse over the last few decades because of just how much more lucrative the US drug market has become in that time. Conditions change. 

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Again, COVID made the problem 100x worse. It’s like saying Cartels aren’t a problem in Mexico because “drugs have always been around.” Yes that’s true, but the cartels have become far worse over the last few decades because of just how much more lucrative the US drug market has become in that time. Conditions change. 

MFer, what the fuck are parents for, take the screens away, jesus.

[Apparition of Jack]

Your average kid in 2015 probably spent like 4 hours a day on their phone. After COVID that number has gone up to like 10 hours a day. How could it have no had effect? 

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[Apparition of Jack]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

MFer, what the fuck are parents for, take the screens away, jesus.

Screens were the only way for kids to attend classes. Also if you’re locked inside a house 24/7 for months at a time, what else is a kid gonna do? You can try board games or baking but at some point you have to accept that social conditions can have a way bigger effect than any personal sense of discipline can handle 

Edited 1 hour ago by Apparition of Jack

[Apparition of Jack]

We’re literally debating over screens right now lol, we’re not any better

[Elliott]

Do you know any kids? I do, and they're very intelligent, very socially adjusted, they're amazing, and they were city kids locked down during covid

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Screens were the only way for kids to attend classes. Also if you’re locked inside a house 24/7, what else is a kid gonna do? You can try board games or baking but at some point you have to accept that social conditions can have a way bigger effect than any personal sense of discipline can handle 

Obviously read more books and play in the yard, bike, skateboard,.... Lock down is OVER. LIMIT SCREEN TIME 

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[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Obviously read more books and play in the yard. Lock down is OVER. LIMIT SCREEN TIME 

Tell that to families living in apartments. Your attitude strikes me as very tone-deaf and callous.