Why tf do we not talk about COVID?

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Being free to run around the countryside in a pre-industrial society =/= being locked up in an urban appartment of home for 2+ years having digital screens as your only source of education/human interaction while a pandemic rages around you. This isn’t rocket science.

Being a kid in an urban environment is already a hindrance though.

[Elliott]

This should be linked to the conformity thread. Lol

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Being a kid in an urban environment is already a hindrance though.

I’m not going to get into the details about urban vs rural living, but even if you believe this, being able to go out to the park of the cinemas with your friends/family in a city is still much healthier for your average child than not being able to do that. 
 

I grew up in the city and I turned out fine, precisely because I was able to go to the zoo, the water park etc. If I had been a kid not being able to do that for years at a time it would’ve screwed with my mental development. I really feel for anyone under like 25 these days.

[Elliott]

Just now, Apparition of Jack said:

I’m not going to get into the details about urban vs rural living, but even if you believe this, being able to go out to the park of the cinemas with your friends/family in a city is still much healthier for your average child than not being able to do that. 
 

I grew up in the city and I turned out fine, precisely because I was able to go to the zoo, the water park etc. If I had been a kid not being able to do that for years at a time it would’ve screwed with my mental development. I really feel for anyone under like 25 these days.

How many times a year did you go to the zoo, parks, water park? The lowest number year, what was it?

I go to parks and the library all the time and they're quite empty, is the world still shutdown?

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

How many times a year did you go to the zoo, parks, water park? The lowest number year, what was it?

I go to parks and the library all the time and they're quite empty, is the world still shutdown?

Yes because everyone - and especially young kids - are still traumatised by the impacts of the pandemic. 
 

Early childhood development is a delicate thing. If kids aren’t out there learning social skills, making mistakes, playing with other kids etc it stunts their development and makes engaging with the world harder. Just look it up, this is like well-documented human psychology (as well as just basic common sense.) 

Having kids miss out on these milestones creates psychological problems for these kids that, again, society has refused to address. The reason your average 8-16 year old these days is a shut-in phone addict is because for two years this was literally the only way they could survive. Plus considering how callous adults have been about COVID and recovery since the pandemic ended, it’s no wonder they’re not wanting to do anything other than play Minecraft all day. 

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Yes because everyone - and especially young kids - are still traumatised by the impacts of the pandemic. 
 

Early childhood development is a delicate thing. If kids aren’t out there learning social skills, making mistakes, playing with other kids etc it stunts their development and makes engaging with the world harder. Just look it up, this is like well-documented human psychology (as well as just basic common sense.) 

Having kids miss out on these milestones creates psychological problems for these kids that, again, society has refused to address. The reason your average 8-16 year old these days is a shut-in phone addict is because for two years this was literally the only way they could survive. Plus considering how callous adults have been about COVID and recovery since the pandemic ended, it’s no wonder they’re not wanting to do anything other than play Minecraft all day. 

How many times a year did you go to the zoo, parks, water park, movies? The lowest number year, what was it?

[Elliott]

14 years ago

 

Parents raise their kids via television, regardless of covid.

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[Apparition of Jack]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

How many times a year did you go to the zoo, parks, water park, movies? The lowest number year, what was it?

As a young kid? God all the time. I feel like pretty much every weekend I had some sort of park party, or swimming trip, or whatever else planned out for me. I mean isn’t that what most people urban people in the modern world do? When you have kids you take them out, go to lunch etc. That’s why parks, museums, libraries etc exist. People like to socialise and have activities, especially developing minds. 
 

Please tell me this isn’t an outlier, I feel like this was the norm for pretty much most modern people, right? 

[Apparition of Jack]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

14 years ago

Ok and? COVID just exacerbated those already-existing trends. Even your average game addict kid will occasionally go to a birthday party or something. With COVID no one could do that though. The whole point was that we were living through lockdowns and social distancing to stop the spread. Again, I’m not making this up. There are countless articles of the very real effects this has had. Again, just look them up. The evidence is obvious.

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Apparition of Jack said:

As a young kid? God all the time. I feel like pretty much every weekend I had some sort of park party, or swimming trip, or whatever else planned out for me. I mean isn’t that what most people urban people in the modern world do? When you have kids you take them out, go to lunch etc. That’s why parks, museums, libraries etc exist. People like to socialise and have activities, especially developing minds. 
 

Please tell me this isn’t an outlier, I feel like this was the norm for pretty much most modern people, right? 

This is just so contradictory

 

So, you think most parents are functionally good parents, effectively. Yet, 2 years shutdown is going to kill the kids. Ridiculous. Parents raise their kids by the t.v. and never take them out.

[Elliott]

If parents were half as good as you insinuate, they would have continued some form of socialization. Something like organizing with vaccinated friends to have play dates, go camping in wilderness areas with friends, hiking, biking, visiting family, small picnics. Jesus christ, you don't need a God dammed zoo...

I gotta get off here, you guys make me sound 20 years older.

Parents suck, is the problem.

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[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

If parents were half as good as you insinuate, they would have continued some form of socialization. Something like organizing with vaccinated friends to have play dates, go camping in wilderness areas with friends, hiking, biking, visiting family, small picnics. Jesus christ, you don't need a God dammed zoo...

Parents suck, is the problem.

Do you not understand that parents literally weren’t allowed to? Parents DID try. Parents DID organise those things. The problem is the seriousness of COVID was far too great and too widespread for a few online play dates to remedy.

For fuck’s sake you might as well say kids dying during the London Blitz was parents not buying their kids hard hats to stop German bombs. The problem isn’t the parents, it’s the world they’re in.

 

 

[Elliott]

Just now, Apparition of Jack said:

Do you not understand that parents literally weren’t allowed to? Parents DID try. Parents DID organise those things. The problem is the seriousness of COVID was far too great and too widespread for a few online play dates to remedy.

For fuck’s sake you might as well say kids dying during the London Blitz was parents not buying their kids hard hats to stop German bombs. The problem isn’t the parents, it’s the world they’re in.

 

Are you saying Australia didn't allow people to go to wilderness areas? A family couldn't take a kids friend out in the wilderness and camp or picnic?

[Apparition of Jack]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Are you saying Australia didn't allow people to go to wilderness areas? A family couldn't take a kids friend out in the wilderness and camp or picnic?

Again, you’re putting the cart before the horse. Yes, families DID do this, but there’s only so many socially-distanced camping trips you can have before the dire need for in-person education (you’re not teaching Maths to your kids at Umina beach), socialising with other kids their age on a daily basis etc becomes pressing. Also, let’s not forget that many families can’t afford to do that shit all the time and rely on school to be the main source of education/trips/socialising for their kids.

 

And again, ITS NOT ME JUST MAKING THIS UP. It’s observable fact. You have a problem with my argument, feel free to refute the evidence.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12574550/#:~:text=Impacts of COVID-19-Related,onset%3B Amplify%2C 2021).

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[Apparition of Jack]

Also, what about the fucking parents? A mum and dad can only organise so many socially-distanced play dates or try and teach their kids Grammar or whatever before they themselves have to get back to work, look after other family members, etc. I mean the literal reason we have schools is so that parents don’t have to look after and teach their kids 100% of the time. Schools is fucking ESSENTIAL to early childhood development; kids were denied this opportunity because of a DEADLY VIRUS ravaging the world.

[Apparition of Jack]

OH YEAH. COVID also has associated neurological problems. Even mild cases can lead to brain fog, tiredness, etc.

No shit you’re not going to be doing as well at school if your brain isn’t working 100%, no amount of “responsible parenthood” can fix that alone

[Elliott]

15 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Again, you’re putting the cart before the horse. Yes, families DID do this, but there’s only so many socially-distanced camping trips you can have before the dire need for in-person education (you’re not teaching Maths to your kids at Umina beach), socialising with other kids their age on a daily basis etc becomes pressing. Also, let’s not forget that many families can’t afford to do that shit all the time and rely on school to be the main source of education/trips/socialising for their kids.

 

And again, ITS NOT ME JUST MAKING THIS UP. It’s observable fact. You have a problem with my argument, feel free to refute the evidence.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12574550/#:~:text=Impacts of COVID-19-Related,onset%3B Amplify%2C 2021).

"Less" than very little is of no concern to me. Kids don't learn much from school anyway. If you're not a parent teaching your kid, and teaching your kid to learn from reading books, the kid is going to be an idiot even if he lives at school.

I just don't think daily school is that necessary for social development that two years off from in-person is worrisome. Most kids play with their friends over the internet regardless of covid anyway, they play video games over the internet, they text constantly, and snapchat. Nor are pre-covid people very socialized either, more "less" of shit socialization. You have an unrealistic image of pre-covid, people have been fucked even before covid.

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[Apparition of Jack]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

"Less" than very little is of no concern to me. Kids don't learn much from school anyway. If you're not a parent teaching your kid, and teaching your kid to learn from reading books, the kid is going to be an idiot even if he lives at school.

I just don't think daily school is that necessary for social development that two years off from in-person is worrisome. Most kids play with their friends over the internet regardless of covid anyway, they play video games over the internet, they text constantly, and snapchat. Nor are pre-covid people very socialized either, more "less" of shit socialization. You have an unrealistic preconception of pre-covid.

Don’t make me turn into an asshole, dude. You might as well say eating food isn’t important to kids because they live off “kid energy” or some other vibes-based bullshit.

Kids need school. I’m sorry you don’t think this is true, but it is. Maybe you’re right and education is a scam and kids don’t have feelings and we can basically throw them into the Amazon jungle and except them not to die, but I don’t buy it. I live on planet earth. Here on earth, education is important for not turning kids into illiterate malcontents. Feel free to fly on the next plane flown by a pilot who dropped at in Year 5 if education means so little to you.

[Elliott]

7 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Here on earth, education is important for not turning kids into illiterate malcontents. 

Lol, I guess the ivy league is the worst education then.

I think public education is great - if the parents teach the kids how to learn......

 

Ivy league malcontents

"Donald Trump attended two colleges: Fordham University and the University of Pennsylvania, where he graduated from the Wharton School"

"JD Vance went to  The Ohio State University (graduating in 2009) and Yale Law School, where he earned his Juris Doctor "

"Peter Thiel attended Stanford University, where he earned a bachelor's degree in philosophy and a law degree"

 

"Elon Musk went to Queen's University in Canada for a couple of years, then transferred to the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn), where he earned dual bachelor's degrees in Physics and Economics from the Wharton School"

 

"Mark Zuckerberg attended Harvard University,"

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[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Lol, I guess the ivy league is the worst education then.

I think public education is great - if the parents teach the kids how to learn......

 

Ivy league malcontents

"Donald Trump attended two colleges: Fordham University and the University of Pennsylvania, where he graduated from the Wharton School"

"JD Vance went to  The Ohio State University (graduating in 2009) and Yale Law School, where he earned his Juris Doctor "

"Peter Thiel attended Stanford University, where he earned a bachelor's degree in philosophy and a law degree"

 

"Elon Musk went to Queen's University in Canada for a couple of years, then transferred to the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn), where he earned dual bachelor's degrees in Physics and Economics from the Wharton School"

 

"Mark Zuckerberg attended Harvard University,"

Sure dude. Because a bunch of asshole billionaires bribed their way into getting Ivy League degrees, that means we don’t need educated doctors, pilots, chemists, engineers, police commissioners, cancer researchers, etc etc. If a plane has a mechanic problem, no problem, just stick some duct tape on it! If someone has cancer? No problem, just take some aspirin!

Who needs education right? If someone needs a kidney removed just ask dad for some scissors and he’ll sort it all out! 😂