Tier 2 debates tier 1, Bryan Johnson on jubilee

[Leo Gura]

Less is more, comes to mind here.

You don't really know what any supplement does to your health. Could be negative in ways you don't even feel.

But then you are paying thousands just to gamble that it is doing more good than harm.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[LoneWonderer]

I've been watching the video. Man, the people that debate Bryan have such terrible takes. That one chick with the white hair...what a Karen. How so many of them justify their bad lifestyle habits is so classic. Basically repeating lines taught to them by their culture about why it's ok to be sloppy with your health. 

At least have the decency to admit that the real reason you don't take care of your health is because it's not a priority for you. I've worked shift work, i've worked minimum wage for years, I've been a student and guess what...I always prioritized health and figured it out. You don't need a huge budget, you can make time in your day. Fucken priorities and lack of education. Can't go to the gym, go for a run outside it's free!

My food budget for 2 weeks was 55€ when I was a student. I was depressed AF too for years and had to deal with that as best I could, but I didn't make justifications. If I made it work, so can all of you, prioritise the veggies over that vape.

Edited 7 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, LoneWonderer said:

At least have the decency to admit that the real reason you don't take care of your health is because it's not a priority for you

I think they don't understand the significance of reducing fast food. I think it boils down to how much one respect himself subconsciously. Bryan johnson suffers from a similar problem just in a bit different expression. Surely some fast food here and there doesn't mean much and I am fall to it too.

Edited 7 hours ago by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

Trump eats McDonalds every day and I am sure he will live longer than this Bryan dude.

[LoneWonderer]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump eats McDonalds every day and I am sure he will live longer than this Bryan dude.

Genetics

Also the power of the devil compells him or something he has purpose a sense of meaning on corrupting everything and everyone he touches 😂

Having mission and purpose is proven to add years to your life 👍

Edited 6 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Nivsch]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump eats McDonalds every day and I am sure he will live longer than this Bryan dude.

I feel that too 🤔

[Natasha Tori Maru]

AI synopsis:

'Bryan Johnson is founding a new movement called "Don't Die," which he describes as a "religion" based on longevity and the idea of existing indefinitely. This ideology, which stemmed from his work in biohacking and anti-aging, proposes that the "body is God" and that humanity can overcome mortality through science and technology, especially in the era of artificial intelligence. The movement aims to be a unifying framework, a "grand unifying theory of existence," that guides humanity to survive and thrive by prioritizing existence and using technology to defeat death. '

 

[LoneWonderer]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

AI synopsis:

'Bryan Johnson is founding a new movement called "Don't Die," which he describes as a "religion" based on longevity and the idea of existing indefinitely. This ideology, which stemmed from his work in biohacking and anti-aging, proposes that the "body is God" and that humanity can overcome mortality through science and technology, especially in the era of artificial intelligence. The movement aims to be a unifying framework, a "grand unifying theory of existence," that guides humanity to survive and thrive by prioritizing existence and using technology to defeat death. '

 

Where did you get that quote from? This sounds very dogmatic and unappealing. I'm aware he's said stuff like this in the past, it's the part of his work I don't really connect with.

Edited 4 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

Where did you get that quote from? This sounds very dogmatic and unappealing. I'm aware he's said stuff like this in the past, it's the part of his work I don't really connect with.

Just asked chatGPT what it knew about his algorithm he wants people to live by - he mentions it in the 'Don't Die' dinners he hosts. I think the first discussion is the proposal 'If you could opt in to have an algorithm decide how to live, would you?' with the idea that you have to adhere to it 100% no matter what. Which is an interesting proposition because in the dinners you can see attendees lose their shit over the free will concept etc. Many people outright reject it because of rebellious tendencies - some opt in 100%. They are an interesting watch if anyone is curious. There's one with Miranda Kerr, and another with Jake and Logan Paul. Another with the Kardashians. The idea being blueprint will form an algorithm that you live by 100% to reverse or stop aging - this is part of how he thinks we will semi merge with AGI.

The weird ideology there is the part I don't agree with, the rest of his work is good though. I like the idea behind the longevity stuff, I prefer quality of life though. But I think he is going for both. I think the attachment to the body is the bit strange, but it could be how he is phrasing his stuff.

I think due to him being an ex mormon he may have some carryover with the 'Don't Die' stuff and framing it as a religion. Because he doesn't need to frame it that way.

I cannot make up my mind with him. But I think he has good intentions.

Tier 1 or 2 thinker? Again I am not sure because of the 'Don't Die' stuff. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[LoneWonderer]

@Natasha Tori Maru 👍

[Ramasta9]

Humanity may eventually become immortal through science and technology, but they won't truly be human anymore. In other words... Science may eventually keep the human body alive indefinitely, but at that point we’re no longer talking about being human in the way we understand humanity today. That's the catch.

Humans are innately immortal if one can master all the bodies of consciousness in perfect and total alignment, but this is extremely rare. We were never meant to age, die and decay.

Not everyone is meant to live forever, but we are meant to 'ascend' at will and not age and decay or die to disease (which is distortion). This is what total mastery is, and most people have one or the other, rarely both.

And that is the immortal state, where you transcend with your whole body of consciousness, at will.

Its the same thing as humans trying to re-create humans using science and technology, it may come close to it, but will never be truly the same. We can create/recreate bodies, but we can never create/recreate a soul. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Ramasta9 

I think Bryan's idea is to merge with AGI - I could be wrong, but I am sure that is where he sees his path going. 

So not being human (as we know it) appears to be is what he is aiming for.

Whether this divorces us from our humanity or spirituality is up for debate.

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[LoneWonderer]

2 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Humanity may eventually become immortal through science and technology, but they won't truly be human anymore. That's the catch.

Humans are innately immortal if one can master all the bodies of consciousness in perfect and total alignment, but this is extremely rare.

Not everyone is meant to live forever, but we are meant to 'ascend' at will and not age and decay or die to disease (which is distortion).

And that is the immortal state, where you transcend with your whole body of consciousness, at will.

Its the same thing as humans trying to re-create humans using science and technology, it may come close to it, but will never be truly the same.

We can create/recreate bodies, but we can never create/recreate a soul. 

 

@Ramasta9 Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Conciouness is infinite. I hope I experience this before I die. 👍

[Ramasta9]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Ramasta9 

I think Bryan's idea is to merge with AGI - I could be wrong, but I am sure that is where he sees his path going. 

So not being human (as we know it) appears to be is what he is aiming for.

Whether this divorces us from our humanity or spirituality is up for debate.

Yeah that was kinda obvious to me because he is all about supplements and science and technology to achieve this, rather than realizing that's never going to work in exactly the same way, because nature does not work that way, the way it works is entirely different and not easy to put into words.

Otherwise it would of been figured out by now, how to achieve immortality, how to re-create humans ect... 

5 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

@Ramasta9 Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Conciouness is infinite. I hope I experience this before I die. 👍

I 'Trust' I will experience this before I... The word trust changes the entire energy and ripple effect 

Edited 3 hours ago by Ramasta9

[LoneWonderer]

@Ramasta9

1 minute ago, Ramasta9 said:

I 'Trust' I will experience this before I... The word trust changes the entire energy and ripple

👍

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

 because nature does not work that way, the way it works is entirely different and not easy to put into words.

If we look at nature as engaging with the flow of life and the process of homeostasis (this is a rather simplistic breakdown), his current methods seem to be attempting to understand and leverage those systems to engage in immortality. 

But this is a slippery slope - because can his methods be viewed as using force? Because nature, to me, is much more about engaging in the ebbs and flows and change. Working with potential and effects. I do think leveraging existing systems is working with nature. But would be break these systems in his pursuit?

His experiment begins to appear to turn sour if we think on 'How far is he willing to take force as a method to achieve immortality?'

If existence is the highest virtue, as he professes - is he willing to make himself inhuman to pursue permanent existence?

Just random ideas

[Ramasta9]

33 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

If we look at nature as engaging with the flow of life and the process of homeostasis (this is a rather simplistic breakdown), his current methods seem to be attempting to understand and leverage those systems to engage in immortality. 

But this is a slippery slope - because can his methods be viewed as using force? Because nature, to me, is much more about engaging in the ebbs and flows and change. Working with potential and effects. I do think leveraging existing systems is working with nature. But would be break these systems in his pursuit?

His experiment begins to appear to turn sour if we think on 'How far is he willing to take force as a method to achieve immortality?'

If existence is the highest virtue, as he professes - is he willing to make himself inhuman to pursue permanent existence?

Just random ideas

Its like growing a tomato plant, we will never be able to replicate the divine organic perfection it already is, and we are not meant to, we are meant to harness and utilize what is already perfect within, and on and on again we have tried to re-create this artificially, with chemicals, with artificial lights and so on.. and yet as hard as we try, we can't seem to ever complete or replicate something on the same level of vibrancy and richness and quality and life, and essence that something that grows naturally, organically, already does it all by itself.

Rather the best we can do is not try to change or manipulate nature or whats already perfectly infinitely intelligent, but work with it, putting a stalk to support its stem and fruits when they droop, not trying to change it but merely to be its friend, to acknowledge its already perfect but can use a hand. This is why one cherry tomato naturally grown in the wild can give us more energy, more information, more life force than 100 tomatoes at the supermarket artificially or chemically grown. If you are sensitive enough, you can pick all this up.

I've been mastering the art of gardening for over 10 years now and still cannot replicate what a wild jungle or forest can, only mimic it as close as I can, and paradoxically, the most advanced form of gardening is the art of "Do nothing gardening" where we focus on creating a "living ecosystem" mimicking a forest floor, where overtime, less becomes more, and nature takes care of itself.

That's where humans come in, to work with nature, not try to control or manipulate or alter in anyway, rather that becomes an automatic disrespect and distortion to what is already perfect and flawless if you have the sight to see it. This is the root of humanities downfall. God provided the perfect temple, nature, yet people destroy nature then build temples then wonder why God has apparently forsaken them, well they destroyed the primary instrument... Ello? God is still here, we just altered the system so much that its almost inaudible, invisible, intangible.

The very going against the flow, against nature, against god and against the stream, is the very 'resistance' to what is 'natural' that created all disease and distortion in consciousness. I have seen the same things in slightly different ways by different people and systems over and over again, and it all ends up the same, because there is a deeper truth they all miss and don't fully understand yet, cause if they did, they would drop it entirely.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Ramasta9 And there are many who will not value that, and are yet to experience the truth there. Which is how we come to what we have today  

[Ramasta9]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Ramasta9 And there are many who will not value that, and are yet to experience the truth there. Which is how we come to what we have today  

Yes, unfortunately, and at the same time the greater truth will always eventually prevail and is inevitable. All we can do is do our best to shine our lights, plant our seeds, and be our best examples and true embodied and integrated extensions of the truth, or tao or way or nature...

Bless <3