Proving islam to be the truth.

[Majed]

Proving islam to be the truth: The claims of islam about reality are as follows, The existence of a God, angels, demons, souls, heaven, hell, day of judgement, divine decree, prophets and holy sacred scriptures, and book... Now the first argument is that islam is followed by 2 billion people, if two billion people follow the same philosophy, you probably should believe there's wisdom in it. Second argument is that reality is mind, hence whatever the mind imagines becomes reality, hence in the islamic world, islam is reality. Now the things i mentioned above (God, hell, angels, holy book...) exist in the spiritual realm not the physical realm. They aren't available to sensory perception, however this doesn't negate their truth or reality. In the same way nobody can deny the truth of 1+1=2 even though it isn't available as a sensory perception, it is real in the realm of ideas, the mental or spiritual realm. Thrid argument people are ready to die, fight and kill for islam, no one is ready to fight, die and kill for the existence of a physical table. That proves that islam is truer than the physical world, it's a truth that is of a higher order, existing in the realm of ideas, the spiritual realm. Fourth argument, which is that the foundation of the islamic world is based on the Quran, and is written in a poetic,, and musical fashion. which means that the perception of the people in the islamic world, is contingent on the Quran. Which influence and affect their behaviors which in turn modify the physical world. So literally the physical world is altered by the Quran. In other words the Quran is the precondition for anything to be true, which makes the Quran not just true or real but hyper true and hyper real. Because he's the foundational book which shapes the perception of the people inhabiting the islamic world, therefore anything that doesn fit the quran isn't perceived or seen, this means doesn't exist. So in a sense, in the islamic world, only the word of God is real. Everything else is a derivative of the word of God.

[enchanted]

3 hours ago, Majed said:

Second argument is that reality is mind, hence whatever the mind imagines becomes reality, hence in the islamic world, islam is reality. 

Exactly right, Islam can stop being true if you imagine it's not. Therefore it's not ultimately true.

[Mayonnaise]

Why is it followed by 2 billion people? 

Conformity, fear of castigation and/or torture. All religion is. It's more social and cultural then it is of a true belief system.

When a human being is brought into the world, they have a full clean slate which is then immediately manipulated with others belief systems, religious dogma, right and wrong, etc. the list goes on

The entire point of this is that you don't actually own your thoughts, they were just given to you and shaped from outside sources. Which then shaped your entire identity. Which then becomes fragile if shined light upon all the self deception because you lose your grounding-ness. 

How can islam be actual truth for a person who's never heard of it? you wouldn't even know about it and your mind would never go there. And this is the case with anything. 

If everything is a figment in the infinite god mind, then islam in its entirety is the equivalent to a mailbox. 

It's a human function to do the separating in order to justify survival and ground a mind in this reality of earth. Humans look for things to cling to in order to feel safer and to give/invent meaning. 

People willing to fight and die for islam, is literally what happens when a clean slate mind is filled with the contents of that religion, and then spread to a system of entire cultures where it becomes learned behavior that you must die for it. That you won't be accepted by your society if you don't adhere to the belief. That itself is complete lunacy, pure self deception, and a game of the mind. 

I could write a book about lizards and if i threaten people with death or fear to believe it, you better believe they will accept it as their truth. Do this over centuries and now you have a self sustaining organism of that thought form regurgitating itself over time into the fabric of the culture. 

So as for all the people that practice islam, or (insert any religion), they are just as removed from truth as a self proclaimed atheist (a religion of non belief) . Because its all conformity. Go watch Leo's recent video. 

Where you grow up in the world is a good indicator of the personal viewpoints you will cater to in your life. 

People in north korea literally think Kim jung is their god. 

Self deception goes so deep and most humans who unknowingly feed into this deception, live a completely world then someone else who doesn't. There is no truth to islam whatsoever. And if there is a truth to it, its the same truth that every religion has. The fact it is just more content in the mind of god. 

Don't fall for the self deception. Don't try to look for something to cling to out of fear. It's not easy to undo programming but its necessary if you want to ascend to a higher stage of consciousness. 

So as for all the 2 billion or more people that blindly follow islam, yes they are of lower development of mind as is much of the world. 

Someone who points to the Quaran as their truth, doesn't understand that the finger they use to point at the book, is just god pointing at itself. 

 

 

 

 

[Ishanga]

Religion, as it is today via scripture and books, and ppl on pedestals that are not really in the knowing or experience, is cheap psychology and morality in a way, although via religion more ppl have died on this earth and suffer that is Fact!

Billions (this # is decreasing as time goes on, in a decade or two most all religions, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc)follow religion but it will be basically instinct, ppl will need more than a book or preacher to tell them what Truth is.. Psychedelic Use will rise unfortunately as ppl will look for "Easy" ways to have Grander Experiences that they think is Truth,, In the End the Eastern more practical and pragmatic methodologies will rise up, because they are more reliable, safer and give more Truer experience to what Reality Is all about, which is God is not "out there" somewhere, God is within You and You can access it as easy as You remember what You did Yesterday afternoon!!

Edited 13 hours ago by Ishanga

[Terell Kirby]

Islam is ultimately a set of beliefs.

And through deep spiritual work, you realize that proving true any set of beliefs is a faulty endeavor.

Most if not all religious systems are founded on a set of beliefs and taken as true via assumptions and hearsay.

Truth can be discovered, but it takes discipline and humility to admit and see things as what they are. In the case of Islam, a set of beliefs 

[MightyMind]

I would suggest Islam, like Christianity (Jewish Malware) and Judaism, they are structures that were built by taking the ideas and story's from other faiths and systems from previous times which have been long forgotten. 

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

"There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name).  These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them."

Edited 11 hours ago by MightyMind