Basically, eternity lead to this moment right now, so where does awakening fit in

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

HOW!

Looking so deeply within yourself that you realize that beneath all the layers, absolute void opens up. Then, letting go of all structures, all forms and attachments, and accepting the total void that lies beneath them being one with it. Then the void opens and reveals itself as total and you are that.

It's quite simple in its structure but extremely difficult to do because of the forces at play.

Edited November 16 by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Today and always. Being rich makes it easy to disconnect from reality.

Extremely absolutely super difficult. It's as if being human were, first, a set of chemical processes ordered by genetics that relentlessly propel you, and second, a dense structure of overlapping energy patterns, creating a kind of virtual reality from which escape is not easy.

It's as if a genius had created a labyrinth with traps, and you are that labyrinth; you are the energy structure formed by this reality that is trying to shift phases, to open up the structure and integrate it so that it functions without dense burdens.

Anyone who says it's easy, well, perhaps they don't know what they're talking about. Everything human is difficult and comes from pain. 

Yes absolutely!

I think Pain is present to make us Wiser! Its a survival mechanism too of course since we are so weak physically compared to other life here, but pain should make us wiser, its like a big ultra lighted up sign post saying Stop, but we don't stop, we cover it up and ignore it, and that causes more suffering. 

We are so Conditioned its nuts! And when ppl come along to make change, we kill them! That is the Human Condition right now, super stupid and sad!

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

We are so Conditioned its nuts! And when ppl come along to make change, we kill them! That is the Human Condition right now, super stupid and sad!

It's not stupid, things follow their own rhythm; that's how reality is structured. What we perceive as selfishness, cruelty, or stupidity can be seen as hyper-complex energy structures reaching a critical mass to shift to another phase of being.

It can't be any other way; it's like saying the Romans were horrible for crucifying people or that bacteria are son of a bitches for giving three-year-olds the bubonic plague. These are human judgments that are precisely what confine us, what makes our structure dense. 

It's easy to think: those powerful people, full of ambition and greed, should be different, but it doesn't work that way. They are exactly as the human social structure has shaped them through countless relationships and movements. That's how reality works.

From a human perspective, it's horrifying, without a doubt, but you have to completely step outside that perspective to open yourself to the whole.

[Ishanga]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not stupid, things follow their own rhythm; that's how reality is structured. What we perceive as selfishness, cruelty, or stupidity can be seen as hyper-complex energy structures reaching a critical mass to shift to another phase of being.

It can't be any other way; it's like saying the Romans were horrible for crucifying people or that bacteria are son of a bitches for giving three-year-olds the bubonic plague. These are human judgments that are precisely what confine us, what makes our structure dense. 

It's easy to think: those powerful people, full of ambition and greed, should be different, but it doesn't work that way. They are exactly as the human social structure has shaped them through countless relationships and movements. That's how reality works.

From a human perspective, it's horrifying, without a doubt, but you have to completely step outside that perspective to open yourself to the whole.

I don't think we have to be moving so slow, within my own lifetime society has drastically changed!  We just have to establish socially what is important, money or knowing??  We did it with illiteracy, 150yrs ago the majority didn't know how to read or write, now everybody does, so its possible!!  So for me it is stupid to think money and capitalism is the only way, its stupid to use fossil fuels when free energy has already been discovered, there's too many examples to list, its plain stupidity and unconsciousness at fault.. The real power elites don't want this so they make us slaves and conditioned idiots!! 

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I don't think we have to be moving so slow, within my own lifetime society has drastically changed!  We just have to establish socially what is important, money or knowing??  We did it with illiteracy, 150yrs ago the majority didn't know how to read or write, now everybody does, so its possible!!  So for me it is stupid to think money and capitalism is the only way, its stupid to use fossil fuels when free energy has already been discovered, there's too many examples to list, its plain stupidity and unconsciousness at fault.. The real power elites don't want this so they make us slaves and conditioned idiots!! 

Two hundred years ago, nations were constantly at war, slaves were forced to work under the lash, and no one knew what medicine was. It seems like a pretty good pace. It could be better, but considering how human beings are, it's a miracle it's not something like the Warhammer novels.

Do you think it's normal that we've understood the structure of the atom and the fields of reality? I find it very strange. 

[Ishanga]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Two hundred years ago, nations were constantly at war, slaves were forced to work under the lash, and no one knew what medicine was. It seems like a pretty good pace. It could be better, but considering how human beings are, it's a miracle it's not something like the Warhammer novels.

Do you think it's normal that we've understood the structure of the atom and the fields of reality? I find it very strange. 

Yeah it is strange, we've discovered and done allot..  We have already discovered the solution too, via the Eastern Traditions and other ways too that ppl come by. Strange times for sure!!

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Ishanga said:

Yeah it is strange, we've discovered and done allot..  We have already discovered the solution too, via the Eastern Traditions and other ways too that ppl come by. Strange times for sure!!

Traditional Eastern teachings are unsuitable for modern humans. Spirituality is in its embryonic stage; profound understanding is necessary, not just practices. Modern humans can understand much, and will increasingly be able to understand more deeply. I think that humans are becoming more humble because they are realizing that life is a trap, the horror of nihilism is lurking in a lot of minds, then maybe something real could happen 

[Ima Freeman]

On 16.11.2025 at 11:41 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Again and again implies a timeline. It is only possible within a space-time reality. Trying to understand reality from a linear framework doesn't work, just like trying to grasp infinity from a limited perspective. It only leads to creating aberrant mental schemas. 

You can do 2 things. One, open yourself to the totality. Two, try to understand this reality, this universe, as deep and clear as you can .

But what you can't do is trying to understand the absolute and the infinity. It's imposible. "Understanding" belongs to this specific reality/universe/dimensión, that's a possibility among infinite. 

What you can to understand in an absolute level is that any reality is and expressions of the absolute. But you are understanding it from this structure being open to the absolute. 

Even if I see time as illusion, still there is sequence. Life flows as a state of consciousness, allowing things to happen in different specifications, limits,... 

So, you distinguish between this reality (understandable to a degree) and infinity (not understandable)?

If not understanding, can you embody the absolute or shape yourself to reflect it?
 

[Ima Freeman]

On 17.11.2025 at 0:32 AM, Ishanga said:

The real power elites don't want this so they make us slaves and conditioned idiots!! 

True in a sense, Catholic church, Communist parties, Monarchies, big industries,...

Although I would say a lot of conditioning has to do with pragmatic survival matters, proper functioning of society, and general lack of education.

The most important thing is how you develop yourself. Don't hope for elites to hand you everything on a silver platter.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ima Freeman said:

Even if I see time as illusion, still there is sequence. Life flows as a state of consciousness, allowing things to happen in different specifications, limits,... 

So, you distinguish between this reality (understandable to a degree) and infinity (not understandable)?

If not understanding, can you embody the absolute or shape yourself to reflect it?
 

I mean that we are existing in a space time dimension, that's not an illusion, it's the universe that emerged now. But any emergence emerges from the absolute, or in the absolute. It's a manifestation of the absolute potential. The absolute is not exactly infinity because infinity implies vastness, it's not dimensional, it's limitless. Dimensions happen in the absolute, then the absolute underlying everything, anything that exists is a coherent expression of the absolute, which occurs because there are no limits.

As humans we can open ourselves to our absolute nature and be the absolute in a human form, then some clarity can happen because the attachment to the form dissolves a bit and it lets you see some glimpses through the emotional molasses of human identity

[Ima Freeman]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I mean that we are existing in a space time dimension, that's not an illusion, it's the universe that emerged now. But any emergence emerges from the absolute, or in the absolute. It's a manifestation of the absolute potential. The absolute is not exactly infinity because infinity implies vastness, it's not dimensional, it's limitless. Dimensions happen in the absolute, then the absolute underlying everything, anything that exists is a coherent expression of the absolute, which occurs because there are no limits.

Reminds me of Giordano Bruno's book that I am reading right now.
 

 

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

As humans we can open ourselves to our absolute nature and be the absolute in a human form, then some clarity can happen because the attachment to the form dissolves a bit and it lets you see some glimpses through the emotional molasses of human identity

Would you say that only via nothingness, the absolute can be experienced?

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Ima Freeman said:

Would you say that only via nothingness, the absolute can be experienced?

Let's see, nothingness is a word that means absence of anything. The absolute could be defined as the absence of limits.

The point is, anything, even space, time, the so-called quantum void, the fields of reality, light, ,is made up of limits. It's relative to. It doesn't exist without contrast, opposite, relation, reflection. 

So you could say that the absolute is nothing, because it is unlimited, then it is not relative to, not opposite to. But precisely because any limitation is impossible, it's open. In fact it's absolute openess, that is a synonym of absolute potential, that is synonym of everything. Absolute openess makes inevitable the relative forms.

But absolute openess is not "something". Not a substance, not Infinity, not a field, not change, not a dimensión, not energy. But it's open, nothing can block it, then it's everything. Can't be limited to be "nothing", or a single thing, or a void. A fluctuation will appear, a change of state , a coherence, a possibility, then another, and another

 But this is a metaphor, It doesn't happen sequentially; rather, coherent relationships are always unfolding creating infinite dimensions, which is also an interconnected absolute where inside and outside are the same, since everything contains the totality of reality and is simultaneously contained within it. A quantum vibration unfolds its causality without limits and  moves the totality of form, and at the same time, it is the consequence or creation of the infinite coherent relationships of reality.

Then, in short, you, as an individual, can be open, or transparent, to your true nature, the openess, the absolute potential. You will perceive it as what you are, but it is not something, it's open, total. 

[VeganAwake]

15 hours ago, Ima Freeman said:

Basically, eternity lead to this moment right now, so where does awakening fit in

Awakening refers to this apparent reality, including the conditioned human perception that its typically judged with.

Ultimately, reality isn't good or bad or confused or suffering or ignorant.

These are conceptual human labels.........reality doesn't require a label.......it just "is what it is"

Thats why reality is often referred to as nothingness.............without a label or judgment placed on it, .........it's just an empty happening.

Full of appearance and simultaneously empty of meaning. Exploding with light, colors, sounds, smells..............but ultimately empty of meaning, purpose and value ✨️ 

Full and empty at the same time.

Looking at reality completely judgment free.

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