Enlightenment is much rarer than most expect

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

The neo advaitan doesn't understand such things.  Don't waste your time

  I've tried with this guy believe me

 

Yes I know , just pointing some ideas about the self and about knowing to anyone who wants to read them

[TheSelf]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes I know , just pointing some ideas about the self and about knowing to anyone who wants to read them

You guys are talking bout me!?  what's the matter?

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, TheSelf said:

You guys are talking bout me!?  what's the matter?

More ideas about the self: Enlightenment is structural. It occurs when the mind achieves a sufficient degree of internal coherence. The self ceases to sustain contradictory tensions and becomes transparent. Then, absolute openness is recognized through the human form.

Edited November 19 by Breakingthewall

[TheSelf]

20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

More ideas about the self: Enlightenment is structural. It occurs when the mind achieves a sufficient degree of internal coherence. The self ceases to sustain contradictory tensions and becomes transparent. Then, absolute openness is recognized through the human form.

But that's still within the domain of the maya, duality of you as an enlightened being and the objective world is still present, not that it got less value, but recognition of the NOW, and how moment to moment (even there's no such a thing as moments cause that suggest an idea of timeline, but language limits...) you decieve yourself with your absolute infinite power is when the game is over. After this recognition the game continues but you are free, you are too conscious for any illusions and divisions and separate sense of self, you are identified with the whole unified experience.

[Breakingthewall]

53 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

you decieve yourself with your absolute infinite power is when the game is over.

You don't deceive yourself because you are not someone who does things, you are the absolute openess where the form arise because there are not limits. It's an important nuance. 

55 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

After this recognition the game continues but you are free,

Depends, you are free now and one hour later you are again submerged in the molasses of the self.

The self knowing it is the absolute is not freedom. The transparent self letting its absolute nature manifest is freedom. The one who knows it is the absolute is the self; the absolute does not know; knowing is relative. The absolute is absolute. The self believing it is God playing games is another layer of identification.

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

duality of you as an enlightened being and the objective world is still present

There is not duality between different realities, there is form and the foundation of any form is the absolute. The form is the absolute taking a form. "Knowing" is a form, it's relative. Duality is the absolute being dual. There is not maya, It's a self that can be veiled or open . If there in not a self, for example if there is an atom, it doesn't know, it has not experience, but it is the absolute exactly that if it is anything else. 

Experience happen in life because life is dual, it's a configuration that happens that creates experience, but deep down it's the same than no experience, it's the absolute. 

[TheSelf]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You don't deceive yourself because you are not someone who does things, you are the absolute openess where the form arise because there are not limits. It's an important nuance. 

God is a trickster. Your power of tricking yourself to create a experience in infinite! But you are right that's a quality of you. Out of love. These stf has to be communicated in most nuanced ways possible, which you are doing good job! 

 

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Depends, you are free now and one hour later you are again submerged in the molasses of the self.

Possible,yes!

Because your infinite tricking power in no a joke! 

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The absolute is absolute. The self believing it is God playing games is another layer of identification.

The self, God, Absolute, the game, the experience etc, all is yours, you are all at the same time, the end.

Edited November 19 by TheSelf

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

God is a trickster. Your power of tricking yourself to create a experience in infinite! But you are right that's a quality of you. Out of love. These stf has to be communicated in most nuanced ways possible.

Not to argue, just my view:

God is not an actor who performers actions, it's unlimited, period. It's very different. God being a trickster tricking implies an entity who has intentions, and that is a relative form, a God, not God.

God is just openess, and due it openess it is, nothing else. Not intentional, no preference, just open in absolute glory, unlimited.

If you are unlimited now, you are free, if you were unlimited 5 minutes ago but now you are limited by the identity, you are not free.

Freedom is what happens when the self takes a coherent structure where it doesn't identify, doesn't need permanence, then it gets transparent and the absolute manifest 

Edited November 19 by Breakingthewall