No experience can touch Truth - Drop psychedelics and experience based realizations

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I would argue that is not meditation.

It can be for some.   A tool can be used for ill or good.  Many sit in meditation with a desire for achieving enlightenment - an egoic pursuit- where for me i knew nothing I simply went through the motions seeing where it would go.  It must be for the blind pursuit of Truth not for self achievement but for Truth itself.  @James123  yet the same can be said for picking up the tool of psychedelics.   You should not be so quick to judge.  

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I would argue that is not meditation.

Entire purpose of meditation is letting go. Anything and everything.

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

It can be for some.   A tool can be used for ill or good.  Many sit in meditation with a desire for achieving enlightenment where for me i knew nothing I simply went through the motions seeing where it would go.  It must be for the blind pursuit of Truth not for self achievement but for Truth itself.  @James123  yet the same can be said for picking up the tool of psychedelics.   You should not be so quick to judge.  

You might let go some part with psychedelics, yet you don't let go the experiencing.

let go anything and everything. 

That's the only way.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

It can be for some.   A tool can be used for ill or good.  Many sit in meditation with a desire for achieving enlightenment where for me i knew nothing I simply went through the motions seeing where it would go.  It must be for the blind pursuit of Truth not for self achievement but for Truth itself.  @James123  yet the same can be said for picking up the tool of psychedelics.   You should not be so quick to judge.  

For sure - I just have a narrower definition for what I term meditation.

Anything involving desire/aversion is going to pull away from the equanimity that is natural to inducing a possibility of realizing the nature of the self - especially in meditation. But that is just me speaking from my own experience   

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Entire purpose of meditation is letting go. Anything and everything.

Yep agree - would you also use the term surrender or does this mean something else for you?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Entire purpose of meditation is letting go. Anything and everything.

You might let go some part with psychedelics, yet you don't let go the experiencing.

let go anything and everything. 

That's the only way.

If I recall and i may have confused you with someone else but didn't you sit in darkness for days?  If not did enlightenment just simply dawn?  Unfortunately this does not happen for all.  For many a tool can be leveraged and this isn't a problem.  Again what is within the Matrix breaks you out of the Matrix. Even if you just "let go" this had some type of intent. Otherwise you wouldn't allow yourself to let go.

 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yep agree - would you also use the term surrender or does this mean something else for you?

Sure. Complete surrendering, tawakkul, letting go, giving back anything and everything to god.

All is same.

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If I recall and i may have confused you with someone else but didn't you sit in darkness for days?  If not did enlightenment just simply dawn?  Unfortunately this does not happen for all.  For many a tool can be leveraged and this isn't a problem.  Again what is within the Matrix breaks you out of the Matrix. Even if you just "let go" this had some type of intent. Otherwise you wouldn't allow yourself to let go.

 

No. It is not an intent. Intent is based on action.

Surrendering is complete effortlessness.

It is not, I am going to surrender.

It is falling into black hole. you might intent to jump in black hole, however as soon as you jump, after that there is no control. That's what complete surrendering is.

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[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

, however as soon as you jump, l

That's where the intent is.

I am not knocking you I'm just saying you have to start from ego somewhere. It just is that.  The thing is enlightenment is like winning the lotto.  Its a secret door out of the.Matrix but you did use the Matrix at some point or the content within to get out.  You purchased the ticket.

You don't just wake up and boom you're enlightened- at least not for most of us. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Ramasta9]

7 hours ago, James123 said:

Experience belongs to body. (That's the reason why there wasn't any experience before physical birth.)

Not consciousness. Consciousness is always same. Never begins, borns or dies.

All the experiences arises and falls within. Yet, it is untouched.

Well not entirely true, consciousness (creates the reality, body, focal-point) thus it can "experience" itself through separation. So saying experiences "belongs" to the body is not entirely accurate. 

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Well not entirely true, consciousness (creates the reality, body, focal-point) thus it can "experience" itself through separation. So saying experiences "belongs" to the body is not entirely accurate. 

Exactly. He really wants to say that experience belongs to the ego mind.  The problem is the ego has co-opted Consciousness and made it theirs.  And so experience has been co-opted by the ego.  It isn't God or Pure Being looking at a thing it is the self or the body.   So his premise is that anything with an egoic goal is null.  This is obvious BS because it is the ego that co-opted Consciousness in the first place so how else would it get out but in reverse? 

Besides all of that - the ego is still no different than Consciousness or God -  it's just that we want to strike a duality between the two.  It's very tricky but very simple at the same time. 

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[James123]

42 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's where the intent is.

I am not knocking you I'm just saying you have to start from ego somewhere. It just is that.  The thing is enlightenment is like winning the lotto.  Its a secret door out of the.Matrix but you did use the Matrix at some point or the content within to get out.  You purchased the ticket.

You don't just wake up and boom you're enlightened- at least not for most of us. 

you can not be enlightened, you must be dropped, and whatever left is so called enlightenment/ actually Unnamable.

Intent is jumping, yet enlightenment after that.

16 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Well not entirely true, consciousness (creates the reality, body, focal-point) thus it can "experience" itself through separation. So saying experiences "belongs" to the body is not entirely accurate. 

No. It is your imagination. Body is empty. Only, mind imagines.

@Inliytened1 @Ramasta9 moreover, experiences comes and goes, changes. Yet Truth is always now, before physical birth, now and after physical death.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

you can not be enlightened, you must be dropped, and whatever left is so called enlightenment/ actually Unnamable.

Intent is jumping, yet enlightenment after that.

No. It is your imagination. Body is empty. Only, mind imagines.

@Inliytened1 @Ramasta9 moreover, experiences comes and goes, changes. Yet Truth is always now, before physical birth, now and after physical death.

And what is after physical death?

[James123]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

And what is after physical death?

What was before physical birth, that's.

 

[Ramasta9]

@James123 Pretty much same thing as what I said with a different twist on it.

I would caution what you pickup from Nahm's forum. That has no true-ground unto which can actually help anyone.

If you care about life and being alive and living a rich and quality life, you may need to drop all that stuff too.

Keep it simple my friend, don't over-think it.

 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

What was before physical birth, that's.

 

Which is?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

@James123 Pretty much same thing as what I said with a different twist on it.

I would caution what you pickup from Nahm's forum. That has no true-ground unto which can actually help anyone.

If you care about life and being alive and living a rich and quality life, you may need to drop all that stuff too.

Keep it simple my friend, don't over-think it.

Good advice IMO.

A lot of the users there (and hardcore nondualists) get so hung up on the words 'I' and 'you' they miss the point attempting to be conveyed. Thus it turns into a stupid shitfight. 

It just so happens it is bloody hard to express oneself properly while avoiding those terms.

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[James123]

4 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

@James123 Pretty much same thing as what I said with a different twist on it.

I would caution what you pickup from Nahm's forum. That has no true-ground unto which can actually help anyone.

If you care about life and being alive and living a rich and quality life, you may need to drop all that stuff too.

Keep it simple my friend, don't over-think it.

 

There is no purpose. 

Caring life belongs to ego.

These or nahms or other forums are just sentences no more than that.

Death of the ego is best service for humanity.

Don't you see that you think you care about life and help others, yet still judging?

That's a fake service. Expectations.

[VeganAwake]

Nothing is actually happening.

Neither consciousness or experience is real. 

Experience only seemingly occurs in the dream story/matrix. There has to be a conditioned "ego"/"I" to judge and outwardly cast its opinions onto nothing, which seemingly turns nothing into an apparent experience or a something. But the experiencer is an "illusion"/"ego"......it's not really there.

No ego = No experience 

No self illusion = No experiencer 

They are the exact same thing, just different words used!

Consciousness is a made up human concept, stemming from bodily senses like sight, sound and imagination. When the body dies, so does the concept of consciousness and its so-called conscious existence/experience.

Nothing goes on living eternally because that which wants eternal experience is an illusion, and was never born.

There is an appearance but it's an empty happening and it's completely undefinable because the individual trying to define it, is an illusion. And there is nothing to compare it to because it's everything and nothing simultaneously.........it takes an infinite amount of time to define infinity 🤣

❤️ 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothing is actually happening.

Neither consciousness or experience is real. 

Experience only seemingly occurs in the dream story/matrix. There has to be a conditioned "ego"/"I" to judge and outwardly cast its opinions onto nothing, which seemingly turns nothing into an apparent experience or a something. But the experiencer is an "illusion"/"ego"......it's not really there.

No ego = No experience 

No self illusion = No experiencer 

They are the exact same thing, just different words used!

Consciousness is a made up human concept, stemming from bodily senses like sight, sound and imagination. When the body dies, so does the concept of consciousness and its so-called conscious existence/experience.

Nothing goes on living eternally because that which wants eternal experience is an illusion, and was never born.

There is an appearance but it's an empty happening and it's completely undefinable because the individual trying to define it, is an illusion. And there is nothing to compare it to because it's everything and nothing simultaneously.........it takes an infinite amount of time to define infinity 🤣

❤️ 

Oh here come all the neo-advaitans now.  Glad you all came out to play tonight.  Glorious! 😀

[Malkom]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am going to start banning people who parrot this.

Let's move on . Progress, let Reality progress.

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Which is?

What was before physical birth, that will after physical death.

4 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothing is actually happening.

Neither consciousness or experience is real. 

Experience only seemingly occurs in the dream story/matrix. There has to be a conditioned "ego"/"I" to judge and outwardly cast its opinions onto nothing, which seemingly turns nothing into an apparent experience or a something. But the experiencer is an "illusion"/"ego"......it's not really there.

No ego = No experience 

No self illusion = No experiencer 

They are the exact same thing, just different words used!

Consciousness is a made up human concept, stemming from bodily senses like sight, sound and imagination. When the body dies, so does the concept of consciousness and its so-called conscious existence/experience.

Nothing goes on living eternally because that which wants eternal experience is an illusion, and was never born.

There is an appearance but it's an empty happening and it's completely undefinable because the individual trying to define it, is an illusion. And there is nothing to compare it to because it's everything and nothing simultaneously.........it takes an infinite amount of time to define infinity 🤣

❤️ 

This is pure bs. Being stuck in non duality belief.