What you guys are stuck at

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Dodo said:

The formless being knows itself by being itself like a Sun eluminates itself by being itself,  not by shining its light on itself. 

We realise we are That !! 

But that which is known as an object, cannot know anything.

[Dodo]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Doesn't matter what I or anyone else says, delusion has no cure. 

Im just following the facts of my direct experience honestly, princess. Something here is real, even in delusion there is a knowing which itself is not deluded, it just is. Both me and not me at the same time, both formless and appears as all form (the latter being more advanced understanding, but have to know what is meant by form- appearance of form in formless knowing) no duality because its only an appearance of form. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Dodo

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Dodo said:

Im just following the facts of my direct experience honestly, princess. Something here is real, even in delusion there is a knowing which itself is not deluded, it just is. Both me and not me at the same time, both formless and appears as all form (the latter being more advanced understanding, but have to know what is meant by form)

I like this. Actually, I love this. This is raw and uncut. Direct words speaking themselves from the unknown. It is confused and wishes to know itself; but it can't and never will because it is everything. Take the me out the equation, and things will start to become clear. Not to you, but to themselves. You are the one confusing this. You only appear to yourself as yourself but it's not really there, it's a mirage. I can only say this to you as energy to energy speaking itself. 

[Hojo]

A formless being can realize itself. It can see itself. By being in a dream then stopping the dream and looking at itself. When its looking at itself it cannot realize itself but when it goes back into the dream it can see itself by what it saw when it 'wasnt there'.

Obviously if you are just using generic logic to conclude God this wont happen and you will see you dont understand and are just playing word games.

Edited 13 hours ago by Hojo

[Malkom]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

A formless being can realize itself. It can see itself. By being in a dream then stopping the dream and looking at itself. When its looking at itself it cannot realize itself but when it goes back into the dream it can see itself by what it saw.

It can see itself and it can be aware of itself. Not literally. And this formless being has a "NAME." So when someone addresses you by name, what do you feel? That's what it IS. 

[Dodo]

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I like this. Actually, I love this. This is raw and uncut. Direct words speaking themselves from the unknown. It is confused and wishes to know itself; but it can't and never will because it is everything. Take the me out the equation, and things will start to become clear. Not to you, but to themselves. You are the one confusing this. You only appear to yourself as yourself but it's not really there, it's a mirage. I can only say this to you as energy to energy speaking itself. 

The mirage really is there, its just not what it appears to be. Its all empty impersonal awareness that Knows itself by being itself. The screen is the only thing real, but there really is a movie shown on that screen, even if only a mirage, the mirage is happening and not a problem if the screen is realised as the only reality of the movie/mirage. In other words,  impersonal awareness is the only reality of me. 

We are outpreaching each other.

Edited 13 hours ago by Dodo

[Hojo]

@MalkomThen its name is Christ cause my name is Christopher

[Malkom]

7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

The mirage really is there, its just not what it appears to be. Its all empty impersonal awareness that Knows itself by being itself. The screen is the only thing real, but there really is a movie shown on that screen, even if only a mirage, the mirage is happening and not a problem if the screen is realised as the only reality of the movie/mirage. In other words, impersonal awareness is the only reality of me.

We are outpreaching each other.

I don't want to disturb your cozy correspondence. But this Impersonality has a Personality.
If you like mind games, imagine a fractal, only a non-uniform mathematical fractal, but a fractal of One. And this isn't impersonality; it's a PERSONALITY. A True Personality.

[Mellowmarsh]

29 minutes ago, Dodo said:

With the strong possibility of sounding like im parroting)

Parrots know nothing.

[Malkom]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@MalkomThen its name is Christ cause my name is Christopher

It could be Christ, or it could be Columbus. But when you write like that, he's out there in the moment, like in an image. But I mean something else, between the lines...

 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Dodo said:

The mirage really is there, its just not what it appears to be. Its all empty impersonal awareness that Knows itself by being itself. The screen is the only thing real, but there really is a movie shown on that screen, even if only a mirage, the mirage is happening and not a problem. 

There is no screen. It's all immediate. A screen implies something being shown to something else. I used to believe all this stuff too but it all went away when I dropped all spiritual teaching nonsense and realized that I only appear when everything else appeared. Both are simultaneous so neither can exist without the other so without me, nothing exists so nothing must be all there is.

[Dodo]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no screen. It's all immediate. A screen implies something being shown to something else. I used to believe all this stuff too but it all went away when I dropped all spiritual teaching nonsense and realized that I only appear when everything else appeared. Both are simultaneous so neither can exist without the other so without me, nothing exists so nothing must be all there is.

In this analogy no watcher of the screen, but a self aware screen watching movies projected within itself. Drop the analogy of course, im not saying the finger is the moon. The map is not the territory etc.

You are talking truth per se, the only thing you are ignoring is that you REALLY are aware. Not the mirage, the You,me, awareness, knowing. So nothingness is all there is,, but that nothingness is aware!

Not a dead, but an alive nothingness,, awareness.

Edited 12 hours ago by Dodo

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, Dodo said:

In other words,  impersonal awareness is the only reality of me. 

Awareness knows the appearance of both the impersonal and the personal.

 

So to exclude one in favour of the other is your prerogative, so you can’t speak for others.

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Dodo said:

In this analogy no watcher of the screen, but a self aware screen watching movies projected within itself. Drop the analogy of course, im not saying the finger is the moon. The map is not the territory etc.

This explanation is in reference to knowing knowledge. 
But that which is known, knows nothing.

 

 

[Dodo]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

This explanation is in reference to knowing knowledge. 
But that which is known, knows nothing.

 

 

But what we essentially are is not that which is known, but that which knows, I feel like we are going in circles. Needs direct seeing, not more talking. 

The eye (I) that sees is not itself seen, but is what is real. 

[James123]

Guys all of you,

It is not an experience, feeling, knowledge, belief etc... 

I have no idea why you guys talking all this bs. 

You are here to kind of gossip or just talk or I know better than you, something like that, not real work.

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Dodo said:

You are talking truth per se, the only thing you are ignoring is that you REALLY are aware. Not the mirage, the You,me, awareness, knowing. So nothingness is all there is,, but that nothingness is aware!

Not a dead, but an alive nothingness,, awareness.

This is the misunderstanding. There is no me to be aware. Knowing is an illusion and the dream of separation which is also the awareness concept. Without it there is no dream. You are speaking from the dream as the dream. Nothingness is not awareness. Nothingness is deep sleep which knows nothing. What do you know when you're asleep, nothing. Awareness is the dream that knows, both are simultaneous not really happening only appears to be and can only exist with an observer present. That observer isn't really there as immediacy cannot be observed, it's an illusion.

[Dodo]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is the misunderstanding. There is no me to be aware. Knowing is an illusion and the dream of separation which is also the awareness concept. Without it there is no dream. You are speaking from the dream as the dream. Nothingness is not awareness. Nothingness is deep sleep which knows nothing. What do you know when you're asleep, nothing. Awareness is the dream that knows, both are simultaneous not really happening only appears to be and can only exist with an observer present. That observer isn't really there as immediacy cannot be observed, it's an illusion.

Knows nothing as an object, but IS. Deep sleep is like looking at your formless self in a formless mirror. Glad you mentioned it. I wonder why its so essential in everyday life to sleep, why its so energising to go there, like going to the source. There is no discontinuity of being, only there are no objects of perception and conception in deep sleep. 

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Dodo said:

why its so energising to go there,

Because the tiresome 'me' isn't there. It doesn't appear in deep sleep, neither does it appear in waking state only appears to. It gets a break and relief from itself in deep sleep and why it feels so energizing when it seems to appear out of deep sleep. What appears in waking state is nothing appearing.

That's not the illusion, the 'me' is and everything else that comes with that and cannot operate without it like time, space, continuity, linearity, a world, others, awareness, consciousness, autonomy, free will and choice, etc, it's institutionalized and has no reality on it's own and all i've mentioned depends on a me to appear but it really doesn't and neither does any of the above mentioned but only in the dream which really isn't happening and that's why it looks to Tom, Dick and Harry to try and solve it's own existence but it doesn't realize it's imagining Tom Dick and Harry too.

Edited 12 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, Dodo said:

But what we essentially are is not that which is known, but that which knows

No knower without the known.