What you guys are stuck at

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

When parent points to the moon, a child makes the error and looks at the finger, not what is pointed to. 

A pointer is like a signpost it can point to multiple points, except itself. James is like a signpost trying to point to the pointless, which is pointless. 

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

When parent points to the moon, a child makes the error and looks at the finger, not what is pointed to. 

"Silly daddy," the child says, "thats your finger, not the moon!"

Nice, but ever thought that the parent is the one making the error and that there's nothing there to point to. Never thought of that, did you. 

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

A pointer is like a signpost it can point to multiple points, except itself. James is like a signpost trying to point to the pointless, which is pointless. 

He's saying what enlightenment is not, seems like a valid practical signpost you can follow, like what is it right now in my direct experience which itself is not an experience, but undeniably true 🤔 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

A pointer is like a signpost it can point to multiple points, except itself. James is like a signpost trying to point to the pointless, which is pointless. 

Perfect. That's THIS/the Absolute expressing itself. POINTLESS. It's everywhere. Every expression is it.

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Nice, but ever thought that the parent is the one making the error and that there's nothing there to point to. Never thought of that, did you. 

Well yes, we are trying to point to something which has no form, its bound to be paradoxical and confusing if we start thinking about it. 

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

A pointer is like a signpost it can point to multiple points, except itself. James is like a signpost trying to point to the pointless, which is pointless. 

What I am saying to warn you not to get lost in imagination. That's it. 

No one can explain what it is. only can show the path, not walk the path with you.

[James123]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yay more nondual bypassing! 

No. Non duality belongs to duality.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Dodo said:

Well yes, we are trying to point to something which has no form, its bound to be paradoxical and confusing if we start thinking about it. 

Yes, because it cannot figure itself out because there is no reference point to do so from.

[Ishanga]

Everybody is stuck on the samethings, and its seen in most every thread here now, Ideological Identification, as well as Logically trying to understand Reality..

As I've said before here, nothing written here is Truth, its just a bunch of stories and personal experiences being expressed, but readers get identified with it via belief, they like what they read, identify with it, then argue about it with others, this is anti Truth!

Real Truth is just the Experience.. Everything is Experience, no Experience is an Experience, as is every other sense organ input and otherwise...

Only question is are You Enjoying it, or Suffering it, answer that question then You know where Your at..The Smart/Wise Person Enjoys it, the dumb/unwise Suffer it...

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

What I am saying to warn you not to get lost in imagination. That's it. 

No one can explain what it is. only can show the path, not walk the path with you.

There’s nothing beyond the dream. No matter how often you try to wipe away blood using blood.

[Dodo]

9 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Everybody is stuck on the samethings, and its seen in most every thread here now, Ideological Identification, as well as Logically trying to understand Reality..

As I've said before here, nothing written here is Truth, its just a bunch of stories and personal experiences being expressed, but readers get identified with it via belief, they like what they read, identify with it, then argue about it with others, this is anti Truth!

Real Truth is just the Experience.. Everything is Experience, no Experience is an Experience, as is every other sense organ input and otherwise...

Only question is are You Enjoying it, or Suffering it, answer that question then You know where Your at..The Smart/Wise Person Enjoys it, the dumb/unwise Suffer it...

 

 

As another wise person once pointed out, are you really going to enjoy it if you are stuck to a chair and I have a chainsaw rolling. 

Its not about enjoying, suffering is also a very valid experience within knowing. Lets not deny it. Being aware of being doesnt remove pain and circumstances. 

Like as a thought experiment, how enlightened would Ishanga appear to be if they are being tortured? Lets not conclude that quickly how one appears to their realisation. You don't know what others are being tested with. Maybe they are on level 500 and crying while you pass level 5 and laughing.

Edited 14 hours ago by Dodo

[Mellowmarsh]

23 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Well yes, we are trying to point to something which has no form, its bound to be paradoxical and confusing if we start thinking about it. 

What’s the point in pointing to the formless? 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What’s the point in pointing to the formless? 

What's the point in NOT pointing to the formless.

[Mellowmarsh]

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

No. Non duality belongs to duality.

Does that mean Formless or Non form belongs to form?

[James123]

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s nothing beyond the dream. No matter how often you try to wipe away blood using blood.

Keep dreaming. But death is soon and will vipe you out. 

Be careful.

Peace.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

What's the point in NOT pointing to the formless.

Is that pointless too? 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, James123 said:

Keep dreaming. But death is soon and will vipe you out. 

Be careful.

Peace.

You have never known death, be careful pretending to know what you cannot know.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Is that pointless too? 

I think you know what my response to that is so it's pointless to even answer.  Pun intended.😛

Edited 13 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, Dodo said:

As another wise person once pointed out, are you really going to enjoy it if you are stuck to a chair and I have a chainsaw rolling. 

Its not about enjoying, suffering is also a very valid experience within knowing. Lets not deny it. Being aware of being doesnt remove pain and circumstances. 

Like as a thought experiment, how enlightened would Ishanga appear to be if they are being tortured? Lets not conclude that quickly how one appears to their realisation. You don't know what others are being tested with. Maybe they are on level 500 and crying while you pass level 5 and laughing.

I  don't buy into this because the majority our self suffering!  Yes while being Tortured I would not appear to be "Enlightened" but that is not the case, I am not being Tortured daily and I do suffer, but my suffering is minimalized because I am on an Enlightenment path, while most are not, they are living in paradises (just see any celeb, they are living a life in paradise, expressing their creative talent, making tons of money, lots of relationships, lots of admiration and recognition for them and their accomplishments, lots of travel, but they suffer allot!), so that is self suffering which come via Unconsciousness or UnAwareness of what is...

The problem is ppl do not really have problems, a real problem is living in Gaza, or Syria or some other war torn, place like Haiti, they have an Excuse for Suffering, and even in those places I bet there are some not suffering, Pain and Suffering are not the samething, You will feel Pain while in Enlightened States, but You won't Suffer, normal ppl suffer after prolonged pain, and most ppl are not being tortured daily or living in war torn places...

Edited 13 hours ago by Ishanga

[Dodo]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What’s the point in pointing to the formless? 

As Princess Arabia said,

33 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Perfect. That's THIS/the Absolute expressing itself. POINTLESS. It's everywhere. Every expression is it.

But its not necessarily evident by the mind based on deeply rooted beliefs, so the process of elimination of the weeds before growing the new garden is quite helpful. Getting to the ground of being before any experience. Sure the only reality of the experience is the ground (the formless being), but that is not immediately obvious, even though it is true. 

In short, there's ultimately no point, but relatively speaking its the main point. Thats why nonduality is said in negative terms, describing what its not, not what it is. 

 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Dodo