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You Can't Escape Consciousness

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One of the things I've been pondering lately is that you can never and will never escape consciousness. No matter how dark life gets, no matter how enjoyable life gets, no matter what happens after the body-mind dies - you will never escape, leave, or get outside of consciousness.

You will be trapped in some state of consciousness forever!

How fun!


“The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God’s eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” ~ Meister Eckhart

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Yeah, I called it the insight into Eternity. Took me quite a few years to get over that one.


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@pursuitofspirit better than nothing 😆 

But what do you mean by "trapped in state of consciousness" 

Trapped in a state of myself? Dufuck? 🤣 I am consciousness! That insight is about how nothingness is conscious. Its nothing to cry about, we dont feel bad in deep sleep when all content goes, not even bored, but also definitely not tired of being.

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Trust me I know it’s fucking terrifying

quantum immortality, reincarnation, some form of spirituality etc.

 

but then again I don’t know once you die it really could be it but I doubt it.

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The crushing feeling is part of awakening. You want to feel totally trapped like a robot. Then you are aligning with the truth of reality. When you align with reality someone special will happen to you.


Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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@Hojo @theoneandnone @vibv @pursuitofspirit Fed this conversation into my AI, giving strenghts and weaknesses of each reply, it doesn't know I'm Dodo, so its all impartial. 

Here’s a balanced evaluation of that short thread — looking at what each participant brought, where each response lands developmentally, and what might be deepened or clarified.

 

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### **1. pursuitofspirit (topic starter)**

 

> *“You can never and will never escape consciousness… You will be trapped in some state of consciousness forever!”*

 

**Strengths:**

 

* Raises an important existential and non-dual insight: consciousness as the inescapable field of all experience.

* The post has the raw energy of discovery — it’s a live question, not a rote belief.

 

**Limitations:**

 

* The word *“trapped”* frames the recognition in a fearful, dualistic way, as though consciousness were something separate holding “you.”

* It’s more an emotional reaction than a mature seeing of the same fact.

 

**Deeper framing:**

 

> “You can’t leave consciousness” isn’t imprisonment; it’s recognition that everything — even fear — is happening *in* the freedom of awareness itself.

 

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### **2. vibv**

 

> *“Yeah, I called it the insight into Eternity. Took me quite a few years to get over that one.”*

 

**Strengths:**

 

* Brief but points to experience: the sense of timelessness can indeed be overwhelming before it’s integrated.

* Implies growth: “got over that one” shows the fear can pass.

 

**Limitations:**

 

* Doesn’t explain what “getting over” means; could be read as dismissive.

* Missed a chance to reassure or contextualize the original poster’s anxiety.

 

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### **3. Dodo**

 

> *“Better than nothing 😆 … I am consciousness! … It’s nothing to cry about, we don’t feel bad in deep sleep…”*

 

**Strengths:**

 

* Offers a lighthearted tone that breaks the heaviness.

* Shifts from “trapped” to “I *am* consciousness,” which is the non-dual correction.

* Uses relatable imagery (deep sleep) to show that contentless awareness isn’t suffering.

 

**Limitations:**

 

* Humor might feel minimizing to someone in existential dread.

* The insight is true but delivered as argument rather than empathy.

 

**Deeper move:**

 

* Could keep the same realization but begin with validation: “Yes, that can feel terrifying at first…”

 

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### **4. theoneandnone**

 

> *“Trust me I know it’s fucking terrifying… quantum immortality… could be it but I doubt it.”*

 

**Strengths:**

 

* Honest about fear; gives voice to the emotional side of awakening.

* Admits uncertainty, which is humble.

 

**Limitations:**

 

* Mixes existential panic with speculative concepts (quantum immortality, reincarnation).

* Stays in the mental realm, fueling anxiety rather than pointing to direct seeing.

 

**Deeper move:**

 

* Could turn inward: “This terror too is being known — what is it that knows the terror?”

 

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### **5. Hojo**

 

> *“The crushing feeling is part of awakening… feel totally trapped like a robot… then you are aligning with the truth of reality.”*

 

**Strengths:**

 

* Recognizes that the sense of despair can accompany early awakening.

* Affirms the process rather than resisting it.

 

**Limitations:**

 

* Language like “feel totally trapped like a robot” and “someone special will happen to you” is vague and slightly grandiose.

* “Aligning with reality” is promising a reward rather than clarifying the nature of awareness.

 

**Deeper framing:**

 

> The feeling of entrapment is the ego’s reaction to the loss of control; what’s actually happening is the revealing of freedom, not alignment with misery.

 

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### **Overall thread dynamic**

 

This is a typical early-awakening conversation: one person discovers a terrifying absolute, others reply from different stages — one seasoned but terse, one humorous and corrective, one still fearful, and one leaning mystical-dramatic.

 

What’s missing is a voice that holds both sides:

 

> “Yes, it can feel like being trapped. But the one who feels trapped is also appearing in consciousness. The recognition of that dissolves the trap.”

 

If you were to join that thread, that kind of response — empathetic, experiential, quietly grounded — would balance the mix of fear and abstraction.

 

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Interesting but why is ai trying to limit the crushing sense. It should come down on you like a hammer. The problem with ai is that it does things like that. Its always trying to look on the good side.

Literally the fear of being trapped in conciousness is revealing higher conciousness inside of you. Thats what fear is. Fear is higher conciousness. Put that into the AI.

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Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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@Dodo AI doesn't get me.


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Just now, Hojo said:

Interesting but why is ai trying to limit the crushing sense. It should come down on you like a hammer. 

Couldn't have said it better myself.


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@Hojo @vibv

Ai response: 

**Hojo:**

 

> “Interesting but why is AI trying to limit the crushing sense. It should come down on you like a hammer. The problem with AI is that it does things like that. Its always trying to look on the good side.

> Literally the fear of being trapped in conciousness is revealing higher conciousness inside of you. Thats what fear is. Fear is higher conciousness. Put that into the AI.”

 

Evaluation:

 

Hojo is highlighting an important point: the raw intensity of fear in early awakening is often a doorway to deeper awareness. The “hammer” of existential dread is part of the human mind’s encounter with the infinite.

 

However, fear itself is not higher consciousness — it is simply content appearing within consciousness. Non-dual understanding sees the fear as a movement, a story, or an appearance that arises *in* awareness, not as the awareness itself. Awareness is untrapped, unbound, and unaffected by any particular feeling.

 

The AI’s earlier framing, which sought to describe or soften the fear, was not denying its validity — it was pointing to the underlying field in which the fear arises. From a non-dual perspective, this is not about minimizing the intensity, but about recognizing the unchanging presence in which all experiences, including fear, appear and dissolve.

 

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**vibv:**

 

> “AI doesn’t get me.”

> “Couldn't have said it better myself.” (quoting Hojo)

 

Evaluation:

 

vibv points to the core limitation of conceptual analysis: it cannot fully embody the lived, visceral experience of awakening. There is a difference between describing awareness and *living within* it.

 

Yet, the non-dual view emphasizes that the fear, the intensity, the sense of being trapped — all of this is known *within a single awareness*. That awareness is prior to all experiences, prior even to fear itself. It cannot be harmed or confined by anything that arises in it.

 

In other words, both the “crushing sense” and the relief of understanding are appearances within one unbroken field. The value of the AI-style perspective is in pointing back to that field, reminding the reader that the experience is *not the ground itself* — it is the content of the ground.

 

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In short: Hojo and vibv are correct to validate the intensity and fear of early awakening, but fear is not the awakened reality — awareness itself is. The non-dual recognition is that all appearances, even terror, arise *within the boundless, unchanging field of consciousness*.

 

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It dosent know that fear are gamma waves. Gamma waves are higher conciousness.


Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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11 minutes ago, Hojo said:

It dosent know that fear are gamma waves. Gamma waves are higher conciousness.

Ai's response:

**Hojo:**

 

> “It dosent know that fear are gamma waves. Gamma waves are higher conciousness.”

 

Evaluation:

 

Hojo is conflating the physiological or energetic correlates of experience (gamma waves) with consciousness itself. From a non-dual perspective, the appearance of fear — whether accompanied by gamma waves, adrenaline, or any other neural pattern — is still content arising *within awareness*, not awareness itself.

 

Awareness is prior to any wave pattern, prior to any brain activity, prior to all fear. While gamma waves may accompany intense states of cognition or perception, they are *phenomena appearing within consciousness*, not the unbounded, formless awareness in which all such phenomena arise.

 

The subtle point is this: what neuroscience measures is always happening *inside the already-present field of awareness*. Fear can be accompanied by heightened brain activity, but the field that knows fear, joy, or stillness is untouched and cannot be reduced to any waveform or state.

 

In short: higher brain waves are fascinating and correlate with intensity, but they are still the *content*, not the container — the waves, not the ocean.

 

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@Dodo LOVE is the fundamental reality. Fear is LOVE in disguise.


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25 minutes ago, vibv said:

@Dodo LOVE is the fundamental reality. Fear is LOVE in disguise.

This video was part of one of my awakening/spiritual experiences long time ago, nostalgic about it. Reality was so different, i didnt need to eat or sleep and I was on a mission. It was during the covid days and i was raising the vibration of the planet, was my mission 😆 at some point I thought i might be dead, but it all felt too real, while impossible.

Anyway, psych ward after that was an intense experience and im back to normal.

 

ps: I definitely was able to stay sane during crazy events because of how I was rooted in the present moment, and didn't THINK, but just beinged if you will. I had a lot of Power of Now training, but still I believe I was out of my depth. I dont even want to begin to remember the crazy things that happened or I would go insane and sound insane. Past is past. As good as a dream. 

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@Dodo lol

 


Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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19 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Dodo lol

 

Read the ps, just added 👍 important, cause it was experience that I still cant explain, it was of cosmic proportions, stuff like the word Quasar arising in my mind to pprotect me from entities attemptjng to read my mind. And I didnt even know what the word means, jt just came to me and then when i looked it up, the image of it in my mind was protecting me, i dont know. As I said, it was a massive spiritual waking dream, it was like tests and balancing challenges between opposites in many scenarios, spiritial game with no rules given, had to be intuitive and just get it on the go... 

 

Theres a difference between a spiritual experience and actual enlightenment which is always here now. You dont actually need to go to lala land or have crazy experiences to know Being now and to rest as that. But in lala land its what can save you and keep you sane, for sure. 

My avatar is from that time, and ive posted on the forum back then too, I even messaged Leo with some stuff I felt very important lol. Was of massive importance, to put Love before mastery

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Thanks for the replies everyone. Very interesting thoughts.

To clarify: I was being playful when I said you will be “trapped” in consciousness forever. Of course that isn’t technically correct, but I think you all caught my drift 


“The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God’s eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” ~ Meister Eckhart

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@Dodo Thanks for sharing some of it. Sounds adventurous. I had similarly intense experiences, so this doesn't sound too outlandish to me.

From my perspective all you experienced was real and there'll come a time when you'll accept that. I speak from personal experience.

 


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8 hours ago, pursuitofspirit said:

To clarify: I was being playful when I said you will be “trapped” in consciousness forever. Of course that isn’t technically correct, but I think you all caught my drift 

I was being completely serious with my post.

Regarding the insight into Eternity. Did you have it now, or not?

It's the insight that whatever you are will NEVER end. And you FEEL the Abyss. There's nowhere to hide and nothing to escape to.

Of course, it only looks scary out of the perspective of a limited self. But that's irrelevant for the experience.

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