Anybody have experience with magnesium glycinate?

[integral]

I'm high on most supplements.

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, integral said:

I'm high on most supplements.

Da hell does that mean.

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Da hell does that mean.

The first "supplement" in his stack is a joint.

[integral]

On 10/20/2025 at 0:03 AM, Carl-Richard said:

Da hell does that mean.

lmaooo  try these 3 at the same time.

1) bone broth (45 min pressure cooked bones)

2) vitamin D + k2+ magnesium glycinate: synergy

3) mtc oil.

All 3 have a different cognitive effect that can be stacked and merged into one high.

Edited October 21 by integral

[Jwayne]

Take magnesium in the evening.

[Beans]

I like to do them both in the morning and in the evening.

[Ramasta9]

I stick to wholefoods nowadays, supplements are often risky business, the procedure how they are made is very heavy chemical-process and its just as far from nature is you can imagine so our bodies often do not respond as effectively as whole-foods or whole-food supplements like pure hemp powder or wholefood-vitamin c extract for example.

I used to take this marine magnesium(magnesium hydroxide) from seaweed a while ago, not sure what your aim is but I've only really noticed an effect from OXY magnesium powder when you need a good colon flush, otherwise some people swear by (food-grade) magnesium chloride.

Opti-MSM is the only non-wholefood supplement I still take, only because I have leftover.

3 Tbsp of hemp seeds gives roughly 200 mg magnesium, or a cup or two of leafy greens or 5 - 6 bananas ect...

[Carl-Richard]

On 22.10.2025 at 4:59 AM, Ramasta9 said:

I stick to wholefoods nowadays, supplements are often risky business, the procedure how they are made is very heavy chemical-process

I had this concern as well, then I looked into the level of relevant contaminants in our food (which is generally many-fold worse), so I thought why not? Unless there are contaminants they are unable to detect which have an effect (which also could be the case for our food), contaminants from supplements are the least of your worry. 

And the filler compounds tend to be essentially different versions of cellulose and maybe some silicon dioxide (both of which you already eat anyway). You could also question whether the digestive process of dissolving a pill could have some odd effect, but at the end of the day, it's essentially a form of food, and we eat so many types of foods already, you should probably be more concerned about how different foods interact (which is one benefit with supplements; you can separate them temporally). Then it comes down to how you react to them.

On that, I tried Mg malate yesterday and today. Yesterday I thought the dose was maybe too big so today I cut it in half but then I felt lower mood than usual. Now I thought maybe to add a quarter dose back in. But I just realized that maybe the first supplement I've been taking (95/5 MgO and Mg Citrate) has an unique effect that I prefer. Even if the Mg in MgO is poorly absorbed, MgO could have beneficial effects down the line in terms of e.g. gut motility (MgO is osmotic), which is related to mood. So maybe I'll do a 180 back to my usual supplement again.

Edited October 25 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

On 22.10.2025 at 2:07 AM, Jwayne said:

Take magnesium in the evening.

Here's a philosophy I have: if I can't take it in the morning, do I really need it?

[Carl-Richard]

On 22.10.2025 at 1:09 AM, integral said:

lmaooo  try these 3 at the same time.

1) bone broth (45 min pressure cooked bones)

2) vitamin D + k2+ magnesium glycinate: synergy

3) mtc oil.

All 3 have a different cognitive effect that can be stacked and merged into one high.

Foods make you high. We're just used to calling it "being full". Try being hungry and then take a massive dose of amphetamine. Now you're full.

Edited October 25 by Carl-Richard

[Ramasta9]

@Carl-Richard Thanks for your response. I have quite a different perspective now, which is due to many years of research and experimentation, but I feel it mostly has to do with my understanding of nature and how sensitive my body has become over time.

I consume mostly organically-grown foods, and have done a lot of fasting and cleansing my body, so I can really notice when the food/substance feels off in my body, and these days most, if not all supplements have a subtle but distorting effect on my body and mind.

I see it this way, if nature didn't create it, it may not be the wisest idea long-term, because humans are still (figuring it all out), and i don't feel they ever will, rather i trust something that's been evolving and perfecting life for billions of years long before we were around. So i generally lean more towards the herbs and purely herbal supplements, wild-sourced or organically-grown, without any additives or fillers, if I were to supplement. Otherwise I stick to (whole foods, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds ect...

Don't get me wrong, supplements definitely have had a role and play in my life, and may have helped at one point, but nowadays my body has become quite clean, sensitive and efficient, so I notice everything, and maybe I was 'numb' that i didn't notice before. After all, native peoples rarely supplement and often rarely have any health issues we have in the more modern world, unless of course they are introduced to our "foods/products and lifestyle.

Through all the years of fasting, cleanses, supplements, herbs and detox protocols, I have gradually come to a point where less has become more.

I realized that the more I was using and trying to heal, the less healthy i became, rather keeping things simple, how natives live, health returned.

[Carl-Richard]

@Ramasta9 I might cut out supplements if I feel like it. Then I also live in a country with little sunlight so vitamin D supplementation is virtually a must, unless I want to eat fish with heavy metals in it every other day (or maybe I could research blowing my wallet on some kind of exclusive top-notch fish, but normal fish is already expensive).

Even so, organically-grown foods also seem to be affected by the vitamin and mineral decline we've seen in the last 50 years (about 40% drop). And the modern diet of mixing all kinds of ingredients together is in itself a cause for concern; eating something like a banana together with blueberries cuts the polyphenol absorption by 80%.

Regardless, I think you can be semi-deficient in nutrients and still feel very good if you're in a non-neurotic mental state and you do healthy things.

As for feeling that supplements don't do good things, is it merely a feeling of general discomfort or aesthetic displeasure with the state they cause, or is it something overt like GI issues or fatigue or over-stimulation?

Edited October 25 by Carl-Richard

[Ramasta9]

57 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Ramasta9 I might cut out supplements if I feel like it. Then I also live in a country with little sunlight so vitamin D supplementation is virtually a must, unless I want to eat fish with heavy metals in it every other day (or maybe I could research blowing my wallet on some kind of exclusive top-notch fish, but normal fish is already expensive).

Even so, organically-grown foods also seem to be affected by the vitamin and mineral decline we've seen in the last 50 years (about 40% drop). And the modern diet of mixing all kinds of ingredients together is in itself a cause for concern; eating something like a banana together with blueberries cuts the polyphenol absorption by 80%.

Regardless, I think you can be semi-deficient in nutrients and still feel very good if you're in a non-neurotic mental state and you do healthy things.

As for feeling that supplements don't do good things, is it merely a feeling of general discomfort or aesthetic displeasure with the state they cause, or is it something overt like GI issues or fatigue or over-stimulation?

I hear ya, but I can see now how that could also be a "belief" the supplement companies and entire pharmaceutical and modern medical system have put into our minds, possibly to keep their profits going and no one really getting healthy. Cause in all honesty... you still get vitamin D even in a cold and clouded environments, I never noticed a difference, and i feel most of the time its enough, the body is very intelligent, nature is very intelligent, its been taking care of these things all on its own long before the modern medical system and modern nutrition came around.

I did blood tests with and without supplements, animal and plant-based, and results were often similar, in fact, my D, Iron, Creatine, B12 levels were even higher as a vegan, this made me start connecting the dots and thinking this whole thing and everything we are taught is a scam, and I am not the only one who sees this, there are many others who align or realized the same things. For me Its all pattern-recognition. I see patterns, i connect the dots, i grow and i feel better, more whole, more free, more myself, with less... 

Just think about it, there are millions and millions of people out there, way more who don't supplement than do, and are just as alive and as healthy as everyone else. I also feel supplements change the way our bodies work to then become a reliant of them, kinda like using coffee for energy. I feel (placebo /  nocebo) is the bigger player here.

Many of these things like vitamin D, B12, Iron, all are scams if you ask me, some even made some lengthy youtube videos exposing the whole supplement industry but I don't like to get my head mixed into it too much. I just think hey look at these poor villagers, look at these indigenous people, these natives, they live simply, they don't eat nowhere near as much shit as we do, they don't supplement, they rarely have any deficiencies, and they are perfectly happy and healthy... Dr Weston Price actually done some amazing experiments showing that when indigenous people around the world were exposed to western foods and lifestyle, only then deficiencies and disease started to occur.

Maybe you can check him out

Edited October 25 by Ramasta9

[Carl-Richard]

@Ramasta9 True indigenous people don't buy commercial produce, be it organic or non-organic. They also come from a culture of mostly hunter-gatherers who eat close to the biosphere and don't mix too many food types in one meal (and again, mixing foods can inhibit absorption of nutrients). They are also out in the sun more. So you can make the case that indigenous people are healthy. But that's the trade-off of living in modern society. The question is: what do you do when you live in modern society?

Edited October 25 by Carl-Richard

[Ramasta9]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Ramasta9 True indigenous people don't buy commercial produce, be it organic or non-organic. They also come from a culture of mostly hunter-gatherers who eat close to the biosphere and don't mix too many food types in one meal (and again, mixing foods can inhibit absorption of nutrients). They are also out in the sun more. So you can make the case that indigenous people are healthy. But that's the trade-off of living in modern society. The question is: what do you do when you live in modern society?

Its not only indigenous, many people around the world don't supplement and are healthy because they haven't been (spoon-fed) that they "need" these supplements. In modern society, you eat and live as clean / organic and as healthy as you can (or grow your own food ideally) while also not falling into modern societies traps, rather self-educate, be more in-tune with your body and health, and minimize / simplify things. That's what I do now.

[Carl-Richard]

14 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

Its not only indigenous, many people around the world don't supplement and are healthy

You can again be relatively healthy with a slight nutrient deficiency. The question is whether or not they are deficient.

 

14 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

 because they haven't been (spoon-fed) that they "need" these supplements. In modern society, you eat and live as clean / organic and as healthy as you can (or grow your own food ideally) while also not falling into modern societies traps, rather self-educate, be more in-tune with your body and health, and minimize / simplify things. That's what I do now.

There are many who are deeply inculcated with the "modern society traps" but who are skeptical of supplements. It wasn't long ago that even leading health science gurus were completely against taking them. Then there were convincing scientific evidence for their benefits [1].

The study did control for "healthiness" of diet, but they should of course have controlled for organic vs non-organic aswell. But even so, as mentioned, even for organic crops, there is a ~40% reduction in vitamins and minerals from crops over the last half century (and it might not be completely countered by growing your own because it is partially a genetic issue with the foods we've bred for mostly size; you would have to farm more obscure foods).

So unless you farm all your food yourself and you eat different foods than you would probably usually eat, you'll be worse off than half a decade ago. And we know staying inside and avoiding the sun does negatively impact vitamin D levels, and where I live, you effectively don't get vitamin D from the sun from October through March. Is the scientific evidence a trap?

But again, maybe being relatively deficient doesn't matter much, and maybe it's a phase for me and I'll prefer less supplements over time.

Edited October 26 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

@Ramasta9 Putting how you feel taking the pills aside, as for being skeptical of man-made things, I do share the sentiment, but then you would have to be afraid of substances that cannot be measured or we don't know how to measure, because if you can measure what is in a pill (and they do if you buy the right pills) and you determine it contains >100x less unwanted substances than your food, then the only reasonable arguments left are 1. the fillers, and again, those are typically variations of cellulose and other natural substances like again silica; and 2. the pill structure itself. For that, a pill is really just like a very compressed kind of cake or cracker (or loose powder if it's a capsule). And yes, maybe it goes under "processed food", but we're talking about at most a few grams of these things a day. Maybe indeed a few grams of very compressed substance can throw you off somehow, but then let's weigh it with the benefits.

Maybe your last escape route is that taking "too much" vitamins or minerals is not good for you, but then we have to be very specific about what we mean. I could see it for something like vitamin E if you go 3-4x the RDI, but some vitamins you already get way above those amounts for certain foods daily.

[Carl-Richard]

@Ramasta9 I've recently had an insight about supplements that argues more in your favor.

So I've done a dive into how nutrients interact with eachother ("systems nutritional science") and how these interactions can stunt nutrient uptake by ridiculous amounts. And of course some foods contain "anti-nutrients" which do the same thing. However, despite this, people who eat say a diet with a lot of anti-nutrients (i.e. more plant-based) or who even mix many different foods are able to give clear blood panels and also are statistically associated with longevity on a group level (as you yourself have argued).

Also, I've thought about before that eating a fruit cannot be replicated in the sense that you get the nutrients presented in a particular matrix (the cell structures, the micro and macro tissue structures). When you e.g. remove the juice and only drink that, you change the form of what you're eating. And especially, when you eat a pill that has only a pure vitamin and some filler substances, that is certainly not the same as eating a fruit with that vitamin.

I think it's possible that the matrix of the fruit (or the matrix of foods generally) is important for how nutrients are taken up, used, absorbed. And that when you only separate one chemical from that fruit and eat that (e.g. vitamin C), it's more like taking a drug than providing "nutrition". And that's the feeling I've gotten from many supplements in general (especially b-vitamins) is that they feel essentially like drugs.

Edited yesterday at 10:41 AM by Carl-Richard

[Ramasta9]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Ramasta9 I've recently had an insight about supplements that argues more in your favor.

So I've done a dive into how nutrients interact with eachother ("systems nutritional science") and how these interactions can stunt nutrient uptake by ridiculous amounts. And of course some foods contain "anti-nutrients" which do the same thing. However, despite this, people who eat say a diet with a lot of anti-nutrients (i.e. more plant-based) or who even mix many different foods are able to give clear blood panels and also are statistically associated with longevity on a group level (as you yourself have argued).

Also, I've thought about before that eating a fruit cannot be replicated in the sense that you get the nutrients presented in a particular matrix (the cell structures, the micro and macro tissue structures). When you e.g. remove the juice and only drink that, you change the form of what you're eating. And especially, when you eat a pill that has only a pure vitamin and some filler substances, that is certainly not the same as eating a fruit with that vitamin.

I think it's possible that the matrix of the fruit (or the matrix of foods generally) is important for how nutrients are taken up, used, absorbed. And that when you only separate one chemical from that fruit and eat that (e.g. vitamin C), it's more like taking a drug than providing "nutrition". And that's the feeling I've gotten from many supplements in general (especially b-vitamins) is that they feel essentially like drugs.

100%. These foods are billions of years of perfection by a divine intelligence far beyond our comprehension, that really going against it or trying to argue with it is pointless, and I truly feel that's why we are so disconnected from The Creator and ourselves, and far from optimal levels.

Every little detail and molecule has its purpose, same as every star, solar system, galaxy and so on... Micro / Macrocosm.

I truly feel the root cause of the downfall of humanity was the moment man deviated from the perfection that already is and always has been. That the further we manipulate, changed, altered in anyway what was natural, the greater the 'distortion' within ourselves and the universe at large reflected.

This is why people can overdose on selenium poisoning, yet people can eat bags of Brazil nuts with minimal to no issue. The body is of that same infinite intelligence, and body / nature understands and knows how to utilize and read/write what is natural, its like a built-in fail safe.

This is the same reason people feel far more guided and supported when they take a naturally growing psychedelic plant or fungi medicine compared to a synthetically recreated molecule missing the whole body of its consciousness, so your left without a body / teacher aspect or guide.

This is why people like Bryan Johnson look pale, lifeless, and basically look like death, to me at least, and bodybuilders die young and or of heart or other health issues, its an abnormality, a mutation, a sickness people think is healthy and normal, but what is normalized today is far from natural and ideal and optimal.

If only people understood this, I almost died on the health path multiple times, until i returned to observing what is natural and eating / living more simply. Now I don't take any supplements or powers, and i feel more clear, more whole, more connected, and far less scattered than I used to be.

Thanks for the comment, nice to see things coming to the light.

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

@Ramasta9 Or perhaps the reductionistic lens of "nutrients" is the problem and a different lens like e.g. "prana" could be needed to explain what is going on. After all, if a fruit is a matrix of many thousands of different compounds (and some are not even considered "nutrients"), maybe the whole effect of those compounds taken together adds up to something different than single nutrients in isolation or even "nutrients" in any case.

It's actually theoretically accepted in the mainstream that biological systems exhibit both bottom-up and top-down causality in terms of things like health (e.g. if you eat a compound that makes you less chaotic, that change in state will impact how much nutrients you utilize, and vice versa). But it is of course harder to map out a comprehensive map of this empirically (reductionism is the norm for a reason).

And like prana is used to explain how breatharians putatively can go without food, it's that their different bodily parts as a whole work differently. Or even spooky quantum processes may be involved. Or maybe physical lenses don't do it justice at all.

Edited 18 hours ago by Carl-Richard