Am I actually allowed to kill myself or not?

[Elliott]

I vote no on killing yourself

 

I'm sorry you guys are in such pain. As part of humanity, we've failed you. Please post on here questions or problems so people can try to help you.

[Lord of Darkness]

Some say that even desire for non-existenc is also suffering

[Ramasta9]

 

[Yeah Yeah]

I'm still seeking an answer - I called a hotline yesterday and had police call me but I hanged up the the phone on them like an outlaw - but chatgpt keeps telling me to hospitalize myself which I did do last night and I told chatgpt it won't fix me and so I did do it anyways finally after months  of the gpt 5 downgrade being super sensitive like go seek human support blah blah and guess what, I was right, left the hospital this morning and hating life just as much - the crisis support was useless and I'm still suicidal hating life. I haven't gotten an answer about the afterlife and I can't think up of a method but I want to die and not be alive. Literally trapped being a shitty human I want out out out 

[Yeah Yeah]

Has anyone done research about nde hellish realms or negative experiences with any theories or is Leo right that it's all deaths return to infinite love or is my interpretation of infinite love not what the positive nde people talk about but alien and weird and cosmic 

Edited 13 hours ago by Yeah Yeah

[UnbornTao]

@Yeah Yeah It's OK to feel this way, can you allow it to be there?

Feel it, but don't act it out. It will pass eventually, and you'll be glad you let it be.

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[Elliott]

I've never heard an answer about the afterlife where I believed the person. But I feel like the sadness I have thinking of someone wanting to kill themselves is intrinsic to me and not conditioned.

So very sorry

[Yeah Yeah]

@UnbornTao @Elliott

Thanks for reaching out I'm interested at reading people's reflections on these ideas I share. It helps to work out what's false and more accurate in terms of life. The mental ward lady didn't diagnose me with anything or force medications and she was almost a spirit guide in a liminal space, almost psychedelic when talking to another divinely aware spirit ... And the system was actually kind if you voluntarily go in for suicidal ideation or mental health, I think it's the involuntary visits where they detain, may force medications and be beurocratic. I was afraid they'd label me schitzoid or force injections and keep me there for a while against my will. Again it was like a spirit guide visited me and had this weird psychedelic connection, she was actually super cool 

Edited 11 hours ago by Yeah Yeah

[UnbornTao]

@Yeah Yeah Got it, thank you. 

[Human Mint]

@Yeah Yeah would you be willing to use psychedelics as a tool to crack your own psyche? If done correctly it can help you see through your depression, if not it could amplify your suffering. But if you have nothing else to lose then it is reasonable to give them a try. Just think it for yourself, this might be a very bad idea for you if you're not in the right mind. But again, if you have nothing to lose...

My opinion is that you'll outgrow this stage, definitely.

Edited 10 hours ago by Human Mint

[Human Mint]

Ultimately you can only help yourself. You can access and generate more Love in this life, for yourself, and that would be a very wise approach to solve depression. "Reality is Love" is a very radical thing and you should not take it lightly.

[Yeah Yeah]

@Human Mint

Hey, I’ve done psychedelics, and I understand the sense of love and the feeling that “I chose this life.” But to me, that feels more like a state of consciousness than what everyday human reality is actually like. Day-to-day life feels biological, heavy, gravity-bound, socially restrictive. The highs can be lucid, dreamlike, expansive — but they aren’t the baseline.

I struggle with the idea that suffering, pain, or contrast are somehow required to evolve a spirit. I wish the world leaned more toward love, but I don’t normally feel that love embodied here. I recently quit weed after a long time, I’m finally employed (though with inconsistent shifts), and I’ve moved into a better living environment. Still, I’m hesitant to return to psychedelics right now, because they don’t solve the practical realities — finances, the economy, sexuality, or the discomfort of becoming too aware of how toxic I can feel while sober. Past living situations were unstable, and I haven’t really had the safety or comfort needed to explore these substances properly. I would like to, eventually.

What makes you believe that existence is fundamentally love? And what kind of love do you mean — the NDE-style love that’s interconnected, whole, luminous, and peaceful? Or a love that still contains sadness — the kind where being “God” includes a recognised divine loneliness?

I’ve had deep insights where I experienced myself as everyone beyond this physical form. A few years ago, while tripping, I intensely questioned: What is life? Who am I? Is this human form all there is? I passed through what felt like annihilation of self — essentially death — and on the other side encountered a strange realm where I realised I am everything. There was love there, but also a profound sadness and loneliness. It felt as though this life is a dream, and that I am eternal.

That experience felt different from NDE accounts, which often describe love as purely interconnected, peaceful, and complete. What I encountered felt more complex — loving, yes, but also lonely with love contrasting to a profound sadness, similar to the half smiling face and the half glum face they use in theatre 🎭 

Edited 10 hours ago by Yeah Yeah

[Elliott]

@Yeah Yeah

You ever try to actively love yourself? Sort of like treating yourself like a separate person, telling yourself what you would tell your little brother in your situation? "I love you, there's nothing you need to do to prove yourself, whatever happens, i love you and I'm glad i've known you". I'm not any kind of even amateur expert, but i always think loneliness is from shame that others have put onto you. Usually not even overt shame, but just social conditioning "you can be anything you want!", 'material possessions shows your worth!',.... all of that causes deep shame that everyone is unaware of. Most people are uncompassionate to themselves, self-compassion is very important, being nice to yourself, not imposing social pressures onto yourself. There's no love you need from others, love is already within you, all the love there is, the only love anyone can feel is already within themselves, love is not something 'out there' to find or obtain,

Edited 6 hours ago by Elliott

[Hezbollah]

Drink a Coca Cola first.

[Ishanga]

@Yeah Yeah Sorry the hear about Your situation.. I had a short situation with depression and suicidal ideation back in 2019, it was due to compounded loss, I had a bunch of losses and it just hit me, I didn't want to live sometimes, depressed and not really Me...

I took a leave from work, I maintained a routine, I worked out regularly, did my yoga practice (this is what really saved me I think) and went for frequent walks and had 2 counselling sessions a week, and family support(but this weaned as time went on).. A couple of times I called the hot line and went to the hospital...I was on SSri meds for depression and anxiety..

I eventually got out of it, when I decided to move to another city and essentially start over...Now I am perfectly fine emotionally, other than getting pissed off for a few seconds in traffic and the chaos of the city...

My advice is this: get a routine, be as physically active as you can, practice Yoga and proper Breathing methods, learn to Accept What is, start small, accept small things and build this up to Accepting everything as it is.. And Practice Now Living, Presence, if You can get this to high degree no stress will happen for You..

Regarding what they say about death and afterlife, I've never died but they say how You are feeling at the moment of physical death is amplified in the afterlife, if Your in fear or suffering then that is what You feel essentially there, opposite is true too, so heaven and hell exist in experience while here embodied and there disembodied...

I hope You get better soon:) Namaste!!!

p.s. My nephew died by suicide in 2006, it devastated the family, its terrible for the ones left behind trust me, use that to motivate Yourself if You have to when in hard times, use whatever you need to use to get you thru to the next day!!

Edited 3 hours ago by Ishanga

[Hezbollah]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Breathing

 

[Lord of Darkness]

12 hours ago, Yeah Yeah said:

Has anyone done research about nde hellish realms or negative experiences with any theories or is Leo right that it's all deaths return to infinite love or is my interpretation of infinite love not what the positive nde people talk about but alien and weird and cosmic 

I dont fully grasp yor jargon. But as to hell there is variuous cannonical descriprions per major religions suchas christianity, islam, buddhism. And in short ... Leos theories i would just dismiss[...] 

In short: hell is where most people go, human realm is rare and precious in cosmic sense, despite all its faults and imperfections. Imagine being heroine addicted prostitute in congo slums with bunch of diseases who gets beaten hard on bad day, and light on good one... in such state there is little opportunity for improvement.... 

In short WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL YOURSELF? (Short! Not essays!)

Edited 1 hour ago by Lord of Darkness