Am I actually allowed to kill myself or not?

[Ramasta9]

On 10/6/2025 at 11:48 AM, Yeah Yeah said:

I'm not looking for some hotline number or “hang in there” crap. My life has been non‑stop abuse, poverty, mould, burning plastic, soul‑crushing jobs, no intimacy, nothing to look forward to. I’m broke, exhausted, and angry.

Spiritually or ethically — whatever you want to call it — am I actually allowed to end this? Is suicide an actual escape from this nightmare, or is it just more pain somewhere else?

I’m asking for honest answers from people who have been through hell or have studied spirituality deeply. Don’t sugarcoat it.

Spiritually or ethically — whatever you want to call it — am I actually allowed to end this? We cannot possibly answer that for you.

Is suicide an actual escape from this nightmare, or is it just more pain somewhere else? No there's no escape, you will only have to go through the same lessons in the next life until you evolve past that point.

So think of it this way, you could be repeating the same pattern for thousands of lifetimes unknowingly. Let nature take its course, if the world becomes too much, you can always wander into the forest or live off-grid and never look back. There are many better options out there. There are billionaires who have done this (let all their material go) and are living much happier lives.

I've been through hell and back several times in my life, it ultimately comes down to peace of mind. I realized since i was young that our human spirit was never designed for the world we live in today, especially the modern (artificial world), so to speak, rather its a distortion or disease within consciousness, that's how i've always seen it at least. 

Your role is to decide what works best for you and follow / live that way. Because man-made laws and rules are there, but they are not universal truths or laws, so there are always ways around that system (without violating its  laws / rules) but you'll have to live and train yourself to live quite a different life than you've been brought up with. Its hard but pays off eventually.

Give it another 5 - 10 years, the whole modernized world will likely crumble under its own core-rupted-ness.

 

Edited October 29 by Ramasta9

[Yeah Yeah]

@Ramasta9 your response was intellectual and wise I have to point this out sorry if I don't respond to you directly but I can maybe get around to it ... I'm going to make a further point to hopefully shift humanity into a new way of living with my points about each individual to have the right to choose their own death ... Which is taboo but honestly it makes more sense I think over it ... 

[Yeah Yeah]

The Argument for the Rightful Exit

If reason grants us the ability to reflect on existence, it must also grant us the right to end it. The Stoics—Seneca, Epictetus, and later Marcus Aurelius—saw life as a loan, not a possession; returning it, when its purpose or dignity fades, is not sin but wisdom.
David Hume, writing in the 18th century, argued that suicide violates no divine or moral law: it harms neither God nor society if one’s existence has ceased to benefit either.

From that lineage comes the claim that civilization itself is incomplete until it acknowledges this right. Just as we developed medicine to prolong life, reason demands medicine to end it peacefully. A synthesized, humane compound—a painless, deliberate “exit”—should be as accessible as anesthetic, under the same reverence we give to birth, surgery, or sleep.

Such an invention would not glorify death; it would dignify choice. It would recognize that the will to die, when born of lucidity, is not madness but metaphysical agency—the highest form of ownership over the self.

[Yimpa]

Just SLAY!

[Yeah Yeah]

If the Stoics Had Been Heard

Had Seneca, Epictetus, and later Hume been taken seriously, western civilisation might have developed a culture of rational compassion instead of moral fear. Their insight—that autonomy over death completes autonomy over life—was suppressed by religious authority and political control. If their ideas had taken root, societies might have created humane systems that honoured voluntary death while also attacking its causes: poverty, bondage, and the meaningless suffering of war. Instead, centuries of doctrine taught people to endure misery in the name of obedience, multiplying despair rather than healing it. A civilisation built on the Stoic principle would not worship longevity; it would cultivate dignity, ensuring that no one is forced to outlive their own humanity.

[Luke W]

@Yeah Yeah Hm but why are you so adamant about suicide? I mean not like i'd stop you or anything but WHY do you feel like life is BS? Why do you think existence is just suffering? From my point of view it looks like your perspective is twisted in some way. Wouldn't you need to know how it feels to suffer to know how it feels to be content with your life? 

To me it feels like your statement about wanting to commit 100% guaranteed suffering free suicide is hiding something else. And i'm just assuming a lot of things here but maybe THERE IS something wrong here? But who knows, maybe you're not normal either and you genuinely get no joy out of life or something. I think you're just trying to cover something by being so adamant about the suicide thing. I don't know what you're trying to cover but it definitely feels like you're not telling the full story here. AGAIN i'm assuming a whole lot here (I'm assuming you're a pretty normal human with an average body composition and an average bio-chemistry, I'm assuming that you might have some sort of mental illness that you're trying to hide with the things you said about the government assisted suicide stuff and i'm also assuming that you actually want an answer that might be able to help you. I don't know you or how your mind works so I unfortunately have to do at least this many assumptions).

I would like to know your thoughts on this video from actualized.org tho: 

curious as to what your answer might be. I also think Leo brought up some interesting points in this video.

Edited Friday at 12:23 AM by Luke W
Grammer, spelling, overall improvements.

[Yeah Yeah]

@Luke W

 

I’ve tried it all. I’ve worked different jobs — warehouses, delivery runs, cleaning — slaving away at meaningless crap that never amounted to anything. I tried running my own business for years; it failed. I’ve been writing novels all my life — hundreds of thousands of words — and no one reads them. I’ve watched every effort dissolve into dust.

My dad died suicidal in 2019 after losing everything to a divorce. My parents were divorced. Thirty grand if my savings disappeared through Mum’s solicitor to pay his debts — money I barely remembered in my grief. My best friend turned schizo, burned through our business money on drugs, left me betrayed and broke.

I’ve been homeless, isolated, threatened by housemates, abused, trapped in mouldy rooms. I’ve lived in poverty so long that “survival” just means staring at the wall, chain‑smoking, pacing through another day. Sobriety is torture. Sex doesn’t exist for me — I’m a virgin watching hookup culture thrive all around me, porn the only outlet for energy I can’t shut off.

I hate the economy. I hate people working dumb jobs just to exist another day. The world is run by money, scams, algorithms, fake smiles. Sobriety, boredom, bills, taxes, lies. My life is proof that trying doesn’t always mean progress. I’ve seen what happens when you keep pushing: you just get older, poorer, uglier, sicker, and more invisible.

This planet doesn’t reward effort; it rewards luck and manipulation. Everything feels interchangeable — jobs, faces, lives. The whole thing’s a lightning‑clap blip of pointless consciousness between birth and decay. I’ve lived enough to know the system won’t let you die with dignity, but it’ll let you rot while pretending that’s “hope."

Edited Friday at 07:47 AM by Yeah Yeah

[Mada_]

How old are you and what country are you in if you don’t mind me asking bro?

[Luke W]

@Yeah Yeah Well damn man I can see why you're like this after having lived through all that. But I still believe you can make it. Even if this all happend to you. You basically gave up on life and now you have negative momentum building up because of your smoking and porn addiction (and maybe some other bad habits). And your 'I've tried it all' could also mean you've tried everything YOU COULD at those times. Doesn't mean you've literally done everything possible to succeed (because this world is endless, the possibilities are endless too). And yeah from the looks of it you got pretty unlucky up till now but you can't give up like that just yet yk? I think you could actually improve your life if you tried focussing on healing and when you finally have a good foundation you could actually succeed in life (and with healing I mean your pathologies and neurosis). That being said I don't really know how old you are as of now and how long this 'healing' would take (the more trauma you have and the more deeply ingrained it is the longer it'll take, but you'll be free from those burdensome mental shackles if you actually do the work). But from the looks of things you have a lot of trauma to work through. I'm also trying to better myself by healing as of now and I'm looking into things like shadow work and Jungian psychology so I can slightly emphatise with you even if it's only a little bit (but that being said I have grown a lot in the last few years, and just these little changes in mindset have already made me much much happier than I used to be). I haven't suffered your pain of course and I don't truly know the life you've lived or what kind of experiences you've gone through. But at the end of the day it's up to you to keep being a 'loser' or to try and change.This way you'll at least know you tried your best at trying to fix your life even if you do die, at least you won't have regrets this way. Because there just has to be a way right? It took me quite a few years to realise this, and now i'm at the point where I actually need to be doing the 'healing' work in question. And somehow I think it'll be the same for you. Just... don't give up just yet, life is just too beautiful to die early for. That's what I think at least. I hope this comment helped you in some way. Because somewhere deep down inside you you must also want to change for the better right?

PS: Here are some realisations I had to see how beautiful life can be. The beauty of nature for example, just realising the fact that you're here on a planet that billions of years old, and that you're even alive at all is a miracle. Just by looking at a tree there are infinite complexities in that alone. Like the patterns of it's root bark, how some trees can be a thousand years old, and then realising that a thousand years means that that tree started growing before America was even discovered by Columbus, before there was electricity, before there were cars, planes, bycicles, etc! Even if you just look at a leaf, the amount of complex little details in just that leaf alone will take you years to even understand fully. And that's why it's so beautiful. I tried my best trying to explain why I find nature so beautiful in words because in reality I just 'feel' the beauty radiating from everything that lives. And now i'm trying to learn to appreciate the beauty of all things, but that will take me some more work. I wrote this hoping you could see a bit of what I could see, and with just this alone it should be enough to keep on living for. Suicide is when you've given up hope on doing anything at all. But usually that's just your mind/ego tricking you into thinking it'll always be like this, but it won't, and you can improve your situation. We all can, so don't give up! Did you watch the video I sent last time by the way?

[ryoko]

On 10/6/2025 at 11:10 AM, Someone here said:

Seek a professional psychiatrist. 

Work on improving your poverty and life situation

IDK why people give totally incompatible advice when someone asks for a way out of their suffering. 
 

On 10/6/2025 at 7:17 AM, Yeah Yeah said:

Keeping birth easy but exit impossible

birth is not easy, it's hard work. 10 months of labor, decade long nurturing of the child. 

[ryoko]

On 10/31/2025 at 1:06 PM, Yeah Yeah said:

This planet doesn’t reward effort; it rewards luck and manipulation

The truth of the matter is, we have an inefficient system. It works really well for small percentage, moderately well for a big chunk and really not well for the rest. And the work involved in shifting to a better place in the spectrum and maintaining it is arbitrary in the sense that people are different and you can't create what you aren't meant for. It's really not unfair in the real sense, it's mostly inefficient. It's not run by mechanical truths or mathematical rules, it's all very much arbitrary. Biases are how we navigate the world. 

Feeling good for being at the top is a response the system wants you to have, and so is the opposite response. You're programmed to feel bad when you're not playing the game well. It's not something you can really change. You can try all sorts of things; no amount of mystical experience can really fix it. Especially if you have certain biases against living an ascetic life. And the culture around mostly doesn't tolerate monkhood. 
Every retreat into the personal space of philosophies like misanthropy, efilism, anti-natalism will consequently make the game more meaningless and harder while giving you small hit of dopamine trashing the system. 

Spirituality is a scam. We live in a material world. You need food and shelter, you're not gonna transcend your body and stop pooping. Same goes for the mind, your psyche keeps you alive, you feel what you feel thanks to the psyche. It's not like you're in the position to influence how it functions. Nobody can. We are the body and mind. And it's seriously demented to push people into "feeling the spirit, meditation"/"you're not your mind or body" even as a concept. 

As for suicide. I agree with the anti-natalist philosophy. But what people get wrong is, if you accept that bringing children in the world is immoral and bad, you basically saying your own existence is a mistake and you'd rather die. That's quite flawed as a logic, but our psyche is likely to interpret it as such no matter how logical we are. Once you're alive, you have an interest to keep living and in turn propagating life. Logic isn't how humans and society functions. This is why almost all frameworks to understand humans through logic fails. Spiral Dynamics is a good example. 

The philosophy is dangerous in the sense that if taken seriously you can turn really anti life and worse you become some vegan and stop nourishing yourself. We're cannibalistic carnivores, instead of flesh, we feed on others' energy, while keeping them alive. It's how we've come to survive in the last few centuries. Life and it's way of functioning is messy and inefficient, there's no real fix, other than having a good experiential reality. If you feel good eating meat, that's a win. Stop trying to function logically. 

[ryoko]

Here's something useful. Mental pain is something you can bypass altogether, temporarily, until you get back up on your feet. 
You're dead, now stop caring about the world. Now focus on the pain, learn to enjoy it, feel it like your death depends on it. Give it enormous energy. If you're not feeling any real mental pain, you should. Because extremes are interesting places to be. 

Living in the world of thoughts, ideologies, philosophies are the first mistake a human can do.