Am I actually allowed to kill myself or not?

[Ramasta9]

On 10/6/2025 at 11:48 AM, Yeah Yeah said:

I'm not looking for some hotline number or “hang in there” crap. My life has been non‑stop abuse, poverty, mould, burning plastic, soul‑crushing jobs, no intimacy, nothing to look forward to. I’m broke, exhausted, and angry.

Spiritually or ethically — whatever you want to call it — am I actually allowed to end this? Is suicide an actual escape from this nightmare, or is it just more pain somewhere else?

I’m asking for honest answers from people who have been through hell or have studied spirituality deeply. Don’t sugarcoat it.

Spiritually or ethically — whatever you want to call it — am I actually allowed to end this? We cannot possibly answer that for you.

Is suicide an actual escape from this nightmare, or is it just more pain somewhere else? No there's no escape, you will only have to go through the same lessons in the next life until you evolve past that point.

So think of it this way, you could be repeating the same pattern for thousands of lifetimes unknowingly. Let nature take its course, if the world becomes too much, you can always wander into the forest or live off-grid and never look back. There are many better options out there. There are billionaires who have done this (let all their material go) and are living much happier lives.

I've been through hell and back several times in my life, it ultimately comes down to peace of mind. I realized since i was young that our human spirit was never designed for the world we live in today, especially the modern (artificial world), so to speak, rather its a distortion or disease within consciousness, that's how i've always seen it at least. 

Your role is to decide what works best for you and follow / live that way. Because man-made laws and rules are there, but they are not universal truths or laws, so there are always ways around that system (without violating its  laws / rules) but you'll have to live and train yourself to live quite a different life than you've been brought up with. Its hard but pays off eventually.

Give it another 5 - 10 years, the whole modernized world will likely crumble under its own core-rupted-ness.

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:44 AM by Ramasta9

[Yeah Yeah]

@Ramasta9 your response was intellectual and wise I have to point this out sorry if I don't respond to you directly but I can maybe get around to it ... I'm going to make a further point to hopefully shift humanity into a new way of living with my points about each individual to have the right to choose their own death ... Which is taboo but honestly it makes more sense I think over it ... 

[Yeah Yeah]

The Argument for the Rightful Exit

If reason grants us the ability to reflect on existence, it must also grant us the right to end it. The Stoics—Seneca, Epictetus, and later Marcus Aurelius—saw life as a loan, not a possession; returning it, when its purpose or dignity fades, is not sin but wisdom.
David Hume, writing in the 18th century, argued that suicide violates no divine or moral law: it harms neither God nor society if one’s existence has ceased to benefit either.

From that lineage comes the claim that civilization itself is incomplete until it acknowledges this right. Just as we developed medicine to prolong life, reason demands medicine to end it peacefully. A synthesized, humane compound—a painless, deliberate “exit”—should be as accessible as anesthetic, under the same reverence we give to birth, surgery, or sleep.

Such an invention would not glorify death; it would dignify choice. It would recognize that the will to die, when born of lucidity, is not madness but metaphysical agency—the highest form of ownership over the self.

[Yimpa]

Just SLAY!

[Yeah Yeah]

If the Stoics Had Been Heard

Had Seneca, Epictetus, and later Hume been taken seriously, western civilisation might have developed a culture of rational compassion instead of moral fear. Their insight—that autonomy over death completes autonomy over life—was suppressed by religious authority and political control. If their ideas had taken root, societies might have created humane systems that honoured voluntary death while also attacking its causes: poverty, bondage, and the meaningless suffering of war. Instead, centuries of doctrine taught people to endure misery in the name of obedience, multiplying despair rather than healing it. A civilisation built on the Stoic principle would not worship longevity; it would cultivate dignity, ensuring that no one is forced to outlive their own humanity.

[Luke W]

@Yeah Yeah Hm but why are you so adamant about suicide? I mean not like i'd stop you or anything but WHY do you feel like life is BS? Why do you think existence is just suffering? From my point of view it looks like your perspective is twisted in some way. Wouldn't you need to know how it feels to suffer to know how it feels to be content with your life? 

To me it feels like your statement about wanting to commit 100% guaranteed suffering free suicide is hiding something else. And i'm just assuming a lot of things here but maybe THERE IS something wrong here? But who knows, maybe you're not normal either and you genuinely get no joy out of life or something. I think you're just trying to cover something by being so adamant about the suicide thing. I don't know what you're trying to cover but it definitely feels like you're not telling the full story here. AGAIN i'm assuming a whole lot here (I'm assuming you're a pretty normal human with an average body composition and an average bio-chemistry, I'm assuming that you might have some sort of mental illness that you're trying to hide with the things you said about the government assisted suicide stuff and i'm also assuming that you actually want an answer that might be able to help you. I don't know you or how your mind works so I unfortunately have to do at least this many assumptions).

I would like to know your thoughts on this video from actualized.org tho: 

curious as to what your answer might be. I also think Leo brought up some interesting points in this video.

Edited Friday at 12:23 AM by Luke W
Grammer, spelling, overall improvements.

[Yeah Yeah]

@Luke W

 

I’ve tried it all. I’ve worked different jobs — warehouses, delivery runs, cleaning — slaving away at meaningless crap that never amounted to anything. I tried running my own business for years; it failed. I’ve been writing novels all my life — hundreds of thousands of words — and no one reads them. I’ve watched every effort dissolve into dust.

My dad died suicidal in 2019 after losing everything to a divorce. My parents were divorced. Thirty grand if my savings disappeared through Mum’s solicitor to pay his debts — money I barely remembered in my grief. My best friend turned schizo, burned through our business money on drugs, left me betrayed and broke.

I’ve been homeless, isolated, threatened by housemates, abused, trapped in mouldy rooms. I’ve lived in poverty so long that “survival” just means staring at the wall, chain‑smoking, pacing through another day. Sobriety is torture. Sex doesn’t exist for me — I’m a virgin watching hookup culture thrive all around me, porn the only outlet for energy I can’t shut off.

I hate the economy. I hate people working dumb jobs just to exist another day. The world is run by money, scams, algorithms, fake smiles. Sobriety, boredom, bills, taxes, lies. My life is proof that trying doesn’t always mean progress. I’ve seen what happens when you keep pushing: you just get older, poorer, uglier, sicker, and more invisible.

This planet doesn’t reward effort; it rewards luck and manipulation. Everything feels interchangeable — jobs, faces, lives. The whole thing’s a lightning‑clap blip of pointless consciousness between birth and decay. I’ve lived enough to know the system won’t let you die with dignity, but it’ll let you rot while pretending that’s “hope."

Edited Friday at 07:47 AM by Yeah Yeah