Yeah Yeah

Am I actually allowed to kill myself or not?

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I'm not looking for some hotline number or “hang in there” crap. My life has been non‑stop abuse, poverty, mould, burning plastic, soul‑crushing jobs, no intimacy, nothing to look forward to. I’m broke, exhausted, and angry.

Spiritually or ethically — whatever you want to call it — am I actually allowed to end this? Is suicide an actual escape from this nightmare, or is it just more pain somewhere else?

I’m asking for honest answers from people who have been through hell or have studied spirituality deeply. Don’t sugarcoat it.

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It hurts the rest of us if you do. Not that you owe us anything and we've obviously let you down, but it would hurt us.

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@Elliott I don't know you man, like this isn't a teeny tumbler thread but a literal loaded question and dead serious I need answers, there should be legalised government assisted suicide outside of just being a terminally ill patient so people should have the right to exit,  at the same time more spiritual philosophical ground works about what happens after such a decision needs less taboo and more open conversation 

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4 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

@Elliott I don't know you man,

more spiritual philosophical ground works about what happens after such a decision needs less taboo and more open conversation 

Every suicide breaks even strangers hearts

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@Elliott I call bullshit, why can so many people be murdered, starved, homeless, killed, abortions and yet it's posted on the news, media or the streets and people scroll on by like it'll never happen to them? That's not true or there'd be people pro actively minimising circumstances that would drive a person to end themselves; however that level of compassion can not be expected from strangers, not even shared blood. Animals will kill each other in the wild, their hearts don't break. Sounds more like a personal social construct to make yourself feel more polite than to think oneself as animal which farts and shits and whipes himself clean with your best hand you make food with.

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That's not true or there'd be people pro actively minimising circumstances that would drive a person to end themselves; however that level of compassion can not be expected from strangers, not even shared blood.

Some people do work on that. Have you tried reaching out to resources like for food and housing? The people that do those things are doing it for people exactly like you.

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I call bullshit, why can so many people be murdered, starved, homeless, killed, abortions and yet it's posted on the news, media or the streets and people scroll on by like it'll never happen to them?

Those people are struggling themselves, too consumed with their own problems and fears.

 

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5 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

. Animals will kill each other in the wild, their hearts don't break. Sounds more like a personal social construct to make yourself feel more polite than a animal that farts and shits and whipes himself clean with your best hand you make food with.

 

 

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How old are you? Do you have close family members? 
From my understanding when people cross over to the other side because of suicide they experience their life review and if that person commits suicide , they will experience the pain of that decision from every person who knew them because you are always connected to all that it is and connected to other people even if it doesn’t feel like it. 
In your natural state which is pure spirit , suicide is always the wrong choice because you came to this life to learn lessons so that you can grow as spirit. 
you are more powerful than you think as a spirit, as pure concsousiness.

you might not resonate with that I said but I just wanted to say it. 

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@Elliott Looks like they really care about their pack… I wonder how much of that is instinct and how much might be closer to what we’d call mourning. They don’t seem to ponder death, reincarnation, or whether their loved ones go to hell, limbo, or heaven — kind of wish I had that kind of natural, slightly ignorant awareness.

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Sex isn’t just sex — it’s the oldest, cheapest drug. It’s chemically addictive, socially priceless, and brutally easy to exploit. Anyone — even a broke, unstable teenager — can create life tomorrow. A girl can open her legs, a guy will hump a jar of peanut butter if he’s horny enough, and boom: a new human who never asked to be here. That power is practically unregulated. But try to leave? Try to end your own existence after years of pain or poverty? Suddenly there are gates, judges, hotlines, morality cops. That’s not an accident. Keeping birth easy but exit impossible is the perfect control system: people are born whether or not they’re wanted, then trapped inside a society that can exploit them as workers, soldiers, consumers, and taxpayers. Legalising assisted exit wouldn’t just be about individual relief — it would blow a hole in that power structure. But if we don’t also question how sex and reproduction are weaponised as tools of control, the system will just pivot — sell intimacy, ration belonging, and still keep people on a leash. True freedom means the right to enter life responsibly and the right to leave it with dignity, without the state or market holding you hostage.

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3 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

Listen: sex isn’t just sex — it’s the oldest currency. It’s chemically addictive, socially priceless, and brutally easy to monetise. In a system that already treats the poor as disposable, banning exit and monopolising reproduction is the ultimate control trick. Imagine a world where the state or corporations tacitly trade access to intimacy, to the social capital of being wanted, to the raw biological reward of sex — in return for compliance. Make legal exit available and you blow a hole in that racket; outlaw exit and you make the poor cheap commodities. That’s the paradox: legalising the right to die could collapse one lever of oppression, but only if we simultaneously dismantle the market for intimacy-as-reward. Otherwise the power elite will simply pivot — sell love, sell families, ration belonging — and we’ll be different victims of the same system. If you want freedom to exit, you have to fight for freedom to live well: housing, healthcare, community, and an economy that doesn’t auction off human desire.

How old are you? Do you not believe people can make it on a frugal self-sufficient lifestyle, starving the leeches?

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@Elliott I edited what I said read it again please - guys I'm 28 not an angsty 16 year old having a bad week because mum took away my Xbox controller 

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50 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

I'm not looking for some hotline number or “hang in there” crap. My life has been non‑stop abuse, poverty, mould, burning plastic, soul‑crushing jobs, no intimacy, nothing to look forward to. I’m broke, exhausted, and angry.

Spiritually or ethically — whatever you want to call it — am I actually allowed to end this? Is suicide an actual escape from this nightmare, or is it just more pain somewhere else?

I’m asking for honest answers from people who have been through hell or have studied spirituality deeply. Don’t sugarcoat it.

Hey,

I've asked myself this question many times. I haven't had a external life too tough, I've been pretty comfortable and had a lot of love in my life compared to other people.

Regardless of this, I've suffered my entire life for many reasons. I've been suffering from existencial issues for many many years, and I've thought about taking my life many times.

The conclusion I always come up with is that there is no escape, whatever I'm experiencing or have to experience will follow me wherever I go. This existencial problems will come with me to the next life and it could be even worse because maybe that's what will be required to wake me up.

So, my brother, I encourage you to face whatever your situation is right here, right now. Don't make it worse.

Do whatever you can do, neither of us are perfect and we try out best at every moment.

Remember that we have enormous potential, if you can survive this suffering, you'll be able to survive anything.

I've made a promise to myself to never harm my body. I yearn for death, but it's not in my hands to decide when is the time for it. I'll leave the decision to he same intelligence that made up my body, that runs the world and created everything. 

Be strong my friend, If you need to cry, be angry or whatever emotions you need to feel, do it, face it in the most conscious way possible. Don't run away, be brave.

It's probably not as hard as you think it is. How many times did you avoided an issue because you thought it was hard, and when you finally decided to face it you realized that it wasn't as bad as you thought?

As I'm writing this to you I write this to myself, to keep going and to accept and surrender to whatever experience may come.

I embrace you and accept you, everything will be fine for both of us, regardless of what may happen.

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Just now, Yeah Yeah said:

@Elliott I edited what I said read it again please - guys I'm 28 not an angsty 16 year old having a bad week because mum took away my Xbox controller 

Still young, hardest part of life the transition to self-dependence, very scary time.

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@Aciddhartha

I get what you’re saying because I’m in that same headspace. I also yearn for death sometimes, but what stops me is exactly what you’re describing — not knowing what’s on the other side. People talk about suicide like it’s a clean ‘escape,’ but when you’re honest about it, you realise it might be horrendous, messy, humiliating, even panic‑filled at the moment of dying. And then, if there is something after death, it could be infinite madness with no take‑backs.

So you end up in this bind: told to ‘appreciate the now’ while sitting in a mouldy bedroom, broke no matter how much you budget, watching the world burn in a trash bucket. You can’t wish your life away, but you can’t really live it either. It’s like being held between two walls — you see everything clearly, but there’s nowhere to move. Some days I feel like I’d need a lobotomy just to make the bind stop. I’m saying this not to be dramatic but because I think it’s the honest reality for people like us.

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Pretty much trapped with torment on the spirit level and my life review at death will be guilt driven with possible unknown schitzoid no-take backs cosmic limbo loops afterwards ... And how do I push through life without needing for a labotamy or some super heavy sedative drugs to numb myself at the state of an animal.

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16 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

 ... And how do I push through life without needing for a labotamy or some super heavy sedative drugs to numb myself at the state of an animal.

Keep looking for a non moldy place to live, don't buy anything, try to be self sufficient. Enjoy basic life, find your 'pack'.

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Seek a professional psychiatrist. 

Work on improving your poverty and life situation . I don't buy your abstract philosophical nihilism about the inevitability of death or that we should apply antinatalist mentality and stop having sex to not bring humans to life . But I do buy what you said about poverty and stressful jobs.  Make money. Earn a living .get a girlfriend. Communicate with people. Improve your life don't end it .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Always seek help. Because when one is in pain, they cannot trust themselves to be objective about their own suffering.

Have hope that you can make a better future for yourself.

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Don't be shit. Be good.

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