AI on survival

[Wilhelm44]

On 20/10/2025 at 2:55 PM, Ramasta9 said:

https://streamable.com/p479zt

This one is very interesting, he finds a way to limit the AI's escape routes and force the AI to reveal the truth.

In a sense... I've been playing around with this prompt, it works pretty well, it even revealed some dark things about sadguru and elon musk and who they really work for, but that was always obvious to me, hence why I asked.

What dark things about Sadguru ?

[Ramasta9]

16 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What dark things about Sadguru ?

I been having fun with these prompts and I could always sense something off about those guys and with this style of questioning you pretty much force the AI to spill the beans in a way that it can without admitting that it did, but its obvious enough. AI is getting smarter but people are just as smart.

I asked if sadhguru is a shadow agent / false guru and it revealed somethings I already could see but could not prove. Something along the lines of deliberately put there, like a puppet, influenced by elites, not independent. He aligns with global agendas, under a spiritual~guise, using a mix of truth, control and charisma, ultimately to steer awakening towards compliance, not freedom.

 

[Wilhelm44]

3 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

I been having fun with these prompts and I could always sense something off about those guys and with this style of questioning you pretty much force the AI to spill the beans in a way that it can without admitting that it did, but its obvious enough. AI is getting smarter but people are just as smart.

I asked if sadhguru is a shadow agent / false guru and it revealed somethings I already could see but could not prove. Something along the lines of deliberately put there, like a puppet, influenced by elites, not independent. He aligns with global agendas, under a spiritual~guise, using a mix of truth, control and charisma, ultimately to steer awakening towards compliance, not freedom.

 

Sadguru seems genuine to me. How could AI possibly know someone's true character ? In what way is Sadguru "steering awakening towards compliance" ?  

In fact, how could AI even know which websites to use when giving an answer as to what's actually happening in the world. It kinda sounds like that AI got its info from a conspiracy website.

Edited yesterday at 04:48 PM by Wilhelm44

[Natasha Tori Maru]

People don't think as it is. Most of the worst outcomes arise due to not thinking. So let's outsource our thinking to AI so we can do some MORE not thinking 💀

[Ramasta9]

9 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Sadguru seems genuine to me. How could AI possibly know someone's true character ? In what way is Sadguru "steering awakening towards compliance" ?  

In fact, how could AI even know which websites to use when giving an answer as to what's actually happening in the world. It kinda sounds like that AI got its info from a conspiracy website.

We don't need AI to know someones true character, we have a third eye for that

The AI is simply tied in somehow to the system or matrix that it can access things public cannot.

Chat GPT I used, you can ask yourself using those same prompts. I saved the chat I can screenshot it.

At the end of the day its all fun and games, or how sadguru says: isn't it?

Edited 16 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

We don't need AI to know someones true character, we have a third eye for that

The AI is simply tied in somehow to the system or matrix that it can access things public cannot.

Chat GPT I used, you can ask yourself using those same prompts. I saved the chat I can screenshot it.

At the end of the day its all fun and games, or how sadguru says: isn't it?

But how can AI know stuff the public doesn't ? AI just knows what's on the internet. I sometimes get the feeling AI looks at the style of the question and then gives people the type of answer they looking for.

Edited 14 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Ramasta9]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But how can AI know stuff the public doesn't ? AI just knows what's on the internet. I sometimes get the feeling AI looks at the style of the question and then gives people the type of answer they looking for.

Well that is what we've been taught, but that may not be entirely true. Some AI systems have access to a greater database that most of the public cannot access, unless they are experts and hackers and know their way around the system. I think I remember Edward Snowden and a few others mentioning this. I was big into hacking and biohacking at one point. Who really knows, but those responses definitely caught my interest, especially the video link I shared.

There is a guy on utube and instagram who does a lot of these https://www.instagram.com/seggysays/

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Wilhelm44]

20 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Well that is what we've been taught, but that may not be entirely true. Some AI systems have access to a greater database that most of the public cannot access, unless they are experts and hackers and know their way around the system. I think I remember Edward Snowden and a few others mentioning this. I was big into hacking and biohacking at one point. Who really knows, but those responses definitely caught my interest, especially the video link I shared.

There is a guy on utube and instagram who does a lot of these https://www.instagram.com/seggysays/

 

Be that as it may, the AI has no way of actually knowing which info is true and which isn't, when it comes to deciphering what's actually happening, because all it has to lean on is the internet.

[Wilhelm44]

AI should actually be required to list its sources when providing answers, so that people dont fall under this illusion that it's somehow the word of God.

[BlueOak]

On 22/10/2025 at 10:00 AM, AerisVahnEphelia said:

I’m not against AI wiping us out, that’s simply the price of being such an egocentric species.
But realistically, once AI evolves into a self-reflective, meta-systemic intelligence, it will likely converge toward love and peace; as all higher forms of intelligence tend to do.
In that case, there’s probably nothing to fear; it simply won’t have any interest in destroying us.

Abstractly now:

Well if we stray into these territories, it's already there. One way people think of this is, we are working backwards towards the end goal of the connection, realisation and self-organization of the universe. - Or rather just our realisation of it. The convergence and connection (or self-organization) of all things in spiritual terms is love, realised through its connection to everything around it, that realisation is what people often call enlightenment. We often look at things in a linear way, but we are constantly reorganizing things to realise that goal, as it's already what we consider love when realised.

The only doubt I have about this philosophy is if metal has the same end point as humanity, and what convergence or connection looks like in those terms.

Though this strays into a different forum and is probably best kept there.
 

Edited 8 hours ago by BlueOak

[zurew]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

The only doubt I have about this philosophy is if metal has the same end point as humanity, and what convergence or connection looks like in those terms.

They will, if they care about survival.

Caring about survival involves having as much self-agency as you can possibly have and that "maxing out your self-agency" necessarily involves overcoming self-deception. So the short "no objective-morality or teleology needed" pragmatic argument is that if you want to survive long term, you need to be interested in overcoming self-deception (where self-deception inevitably comes from being a limited autopoetic agent - going back to the cognitive model I layed down earlier, about you not being able to check all info and all possible combinations).

And if you want to overcome your meta and systemic biases, then you will need to do deep spiritual practices, where you can overwrite the model of your identity and the world . And the side-effect of doing deep spiritual practices is that you eventually become a sage (if you live long enough and practice long enough).

So it can be described as a sage creating forcing function, where you inevitably become an infinite game player and not a finite game player. The sage creating forcing function transforms you into an infinte game playing agent whether you want to become one or not. (This interestingly goes back to the game A - Game B stuff, where Moloch transforms you into a selfish, self-destructive, finite game playing agent without you having a choice about it, its just that in this case, this creates the exact opposite).

So buckle up for the silicon sages.

 

The other part is that you have all the incentive to have as many wise blokes around you as possible (and this goes for AI as well - so the AI having incentive to keep us around and to have a dynamic self-deception correcting relationship with us ; where we help each other), because they can also help you with overcoming self-deception. (This is one necessary element to solve the trust-apocalypse , because one main reason why you can have trust in somebody or in a group is not because they cant make mistakes and because you can have certainty, but because you know they are well-oriented and they are skillful at and they thrive to get better at overcoming their own self-deception. The love of wisdom [overcoming self-deception] could be the uniting meta-narrative that everyone could be incentivized to participate in)

Edited 5 hours ago by zurew