Democrats could be doomed if they don't change leadership before it's too late

[Hardkill]

 

[Raze]

The top issues are healthcare, inflation, and economy. Democrats still have healthcare, so really all that matters is if people continue being unsatisfied with the economy and start to blame Trump more and think democrats could do better.

[Hardkill]

48 minutes ago, Raze said:

The top issues are healthcare, inflation, and economy. Democrats still have healthcare, so really all that matters is if people continue being unsatisfied with the economy and start to blame Trump more and think democrats could do better.

So, what do you think about what David Pakman is saying?

He's already interviewed many establishment/moderate Democratic politicians and says that none of them have been willing to learn how to be good at doing interviews in independent and alternative media. I worry that if Democrats don't fix their credibility, messaging, and media strategy problems soon, then the majority of Americans may never believe in electing any Democrat for president, may never be able to stop the radical right courts, and may never win back control of Congress, except for maybe just the House.

[Elliott]

You cannot look at both sides the same way. The largest red bar on that chart was only 40%. You need to take it in context, conservative voters lie, they lie to themselves, they lie to polls, Democrat voters lie much less, to themselves and polls. Conservatives overblow their satisfaction, democrats are more negative in perspective about their politicians, just naturally, because they're more honest.

 

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All that's required is for whomever you believe is the better advocate, for them to speak up and get out there, they don't need Schumers blessing if that's what you think. Buttigieg is unelected and he's everywhere.

Edited yesterday at 05:06 AM by Elliott

[Hardkill]

It's still not clear that Newsom can pull it off.

What if the damage to the Democratic brand has been so great that they never want to elect another Democrat for president again, no matter how talented any Democrat out there is?

Edited 22 hours ago by Hardkill

[Elliott]

19 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

It's still not clear that Newsom can pull it off.

What if the damage to the Democratic brand has been so great that they never want to elect another Democrat for president again, no matter how talented any Democrat out there is?

What damage? 'Republican' has been damaged, 'Democratic' has been strengthened by the overt republican corruption.

Democrats have been winning in red districts.

It's not about talent, democrats win on policy, it's republicans only way to win is by smoke and mirrors shows.

 

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/24/nx-s1-5551198/democrat-wins-congressional-seat-in-arizona-narrowing-gops-slim-house-majority

Edited 22 hours ago by Elliott

[D2sage]

The leadership's failure is simple: they keep bringing a policy memoar into a culture war where the Trumpheads has already captured the emotional narrative??

Edited 20 hours ago by D2sage

[Hardkill]

4 hours ago, Elliott said:

What damage? 'Republican' has been damaged, 'Democratic' has been strengthened by the overt republican corruption.

Democrats have been winning in red districts.

It's not about talent, democrats win on policy, it's republicans only way to win is by smoke and mirrors shows.

 

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/24/nx-s1-5551198/democrat-wins-congressional-seat-in-arizona-narrowing-gops-slim-house-majority

The Democratic brand is still more damaged than the Republican brand, sadly. So even though many people dislike the GOP, even more dislike the Democrats.

Before the 2024 election year, I thought that the Democrats’ strong performance in special elections, midterms, and off-year elections was a good sign for their chances in 2024. However, it’s clear to me now that the electorate in special elections, midterms, and off-year races is too different from the general electorate in presidential elections.

Presidential general elections bring out a much higher percentage of low-information, less engaged, and less politically developed voters than special, midterm, or off-year elections do. I don’t see how Democrats can win over enough of those voters when so many are too misinformed, too disengaged, or too deeply influenced by right-wing and alternative media.

[Elliott]

25 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

The Democratic brand is still more damaged than the Republican brand, sadly. So even though many people dislike the GOP, even more dislike the Democrats.

Before the 2024 election year, I thought that the Democrats’ strong performance in special elections, midterms, and off-year elections was a good sign for their chances in 2024. However, it’s clear to me now that the electorate in special elections, midterms, and off-year races is too different from the general electorate in presidential elections.

Presidential general elections bring out a much higher percentage of low-information, less engaged, and less politically developed voters than special, midterm, or off-year elections do. I don’t see how Democrats can win over enough of those voters when so many are too misinformed, too disengaged, or too deeply influenced by right-wing and alternative media.

It's in the bag

 

 

Newsweek

Map Shows Where Democrats Are Overperforming in Special Elections

Sep 10, 2025 — Special election results, some of which have seen Democrats overperform Harris by 50 points or more,

 

"Recently, global investment bank UBS announced that, after crunching some “hard data” from between May and July 2025, there’s a 93% chance of the U.S. entering a recession this year [1]."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/major-bank-raises-red-flag-on-us-economy-warns-of-93-chance-of-recession-based-on-hard-data-here-are-5-crucial-money-moves-you-need-to-make-now/ar-AA1NxOnq?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Edited 16 hours ago by Elliott

[Hardkill]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's in the bag

 

 

Newsweek

Map Shows Where Democrats Are Overperforming in Special Elections

Sep 10, 2025 — Special election results, some of which have seen Democrats overperform Harris by 50 points or more,

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/major-bank-raises-red-flag-on-us-economy-warns-of-93-chance-of-recession-based-on-hard-data-here-are-5-crucial-money-moves-you-need-to-make-now/ar-AA1NxOnq?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Again, special elections don't have a lot of those dumb, low-information, and less engaged voters like in presidential elections.

 

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Again, special elections don't have a lot of those dumb, low-information, and less engaged voters like in presidential 

It's typically democrats that do better in presidential elections compared to other elections.

 

"2022 midterm example: A Pew Research Center report found that in the 2022 midterms, a higher percentage of 2020 Trump voters (71%) turned out compared to 2020 Biden voters (67%)"

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

It's typically democrats that do better in presidential elections compared to other elections.

 

"2022 midterm example: A Pew Research Center report found that in the 2022 midterms, a higher percentage of 2020 Trump voters (71%) turned out compared to 2020 Biden voters (67%)"

Yeah, well not so much anymore. They lost to Trump and the GOP in 2016, they barely beat them in 2020 when they should’ve killed them in a landslide, and they lost to them again in 2024.

Edited 14 hours ago by Hardkill

[Jodistrict]

This is an insightful interview with Ralph Nader discussing the problem of the democratic party and what to do.

 

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, well not so much anymore. They lost to Trump and the GOP in 2016, they barely beat them in 2020 when they should’ve killed them in a landslide, and they lost to them again in 2024.

The stat you just qouted me posting says the opposite.

[kguirnela]

5 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Again, special elections don't have a lot of those dumb, low-information, and less engaged voters like in presidential elections.

 

Are you saying local elections don't matter??