700ug LSD vs 5-MeO

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I’m just curious why you think that happens to you.

It is not a function of "me". It's not about how I use my mind. It's just that chemicals can have strange, uncontrollable effects on your mind. That's basically the point of psychedelics. It changes your chemistry beyond your personal control.

For me, LSD especially, often just forces my mind and state into a negative, strange territory. It is not something I control. It's not like I'm sitting there thinking negative thoughts. The state itself becomes sour for random reasons.

If you took datura you would probably have a negative state regardless of how much you tried to control your mind. The ego is not in charge of trips. You are at the mercy of the randomness of chemistry.

Edited August 25 by Leo Gura

[Sincerity]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is not a function of "me". It's not about how I use my mind. It's just that chemicals can have strange, uncontrollable effects on your mind. That's basically the point of psychedelics. It changes your chemistry beyond your personal control.

For me, LSD especially, often just forces my mind and state into a negative, strange territory. It is not something I control. It's not like I'm sitting there thinking negative thoughts. The state itself becomes sour for random reasons.

If you took datura you would probably have a negative state regardless of how much you tried to control your mind. The ego is not in charge of trips. You are at the mercy of the randomness of chemistry.

Interesting. Thanks so much for the response.

I’ve often been in negative territory on LSD. My assumption has always been that I can work through it - not per se by force/control, but through understanding what causes the entries into negativity and recontextualizing what arises, or integrating things into myself.

Just last week I was processing some difficult feelings that arose on my LSD trip 3 months ago, which brought me down. Also, before that particular trip I created a list of the most common feelings that were spiraling me into negativity on trips (dreads, paranoias, etc…), and imagined more positive attitudes/reactions towards them. It helped then.

[Water by the River]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is not a function of "me". It's not about how I use my mind. It's just that chemicals can have strange, uncontrollable effects on your mind. That's basically the point of psychedelics. It changes your chemistry beyond your personal control.

For me, LSD especially, often just forces my mind and state into a negative, strange territory. It is not something I control. It's not like I'm sitting there thinking negative thoughts. The state itself becomes sour for random reasons.

If you took datura you would probably have a negative state regardless of how much you tried to control your mind. The ego is not in charge of trips. You are at the mercy of the randomness of chemistry.

Chris Bache did many very high dose LSD trips (LSD and the Mind of the Universe_ Diamonds from Heaven).

He had horror trips in which he relived the suffering of humanity until:

"In the 17th session, the consciousness behind my sessions seemed to shift its message in anticipation of the coming interruption. I have no doubt that this is what happened. In this session, the collective suffering returned in full force until it completely saturated my experience.

The anguish that is always so hard to describe surrounded and saturated me. I was being relentlessly pursued. There was no escaping the torment. It followed me everywhere, surrounding me completely. At one point I remember searching through all the pain looking for my death to orient to. All the anguish seemed meaningless without my death to give me my bearings. But there was no haven “I” could retreat into, not even the haven of my own death. The only “I” that existed was hundreds of being-fragments, and all of them were suffering. (S 17)

This time, however, I was refusing to surrender to the pain and rejected everything that was happening to me. Eventually, I was backed up against a psychological wall and was told that if I persisted in rejecting the suffering, I would be turning my back on humanity, on life itself. To not care seemed to be the ultimate existential withdrawal from life. With multiple scenarios echoing this refrain, I was being confronted with an absolute choice of whether to open to this pain or not. At this point, my “No” changed to a “Yes.” This transition felt like a conversion in the deepest religious sense.

In the middle of terrible suffering I found myself saying, “Yes! I can make a difference. Yes! I accept responsibility.” I was accepting responsibility for the anguish and for trying to make a difference in the lives surrounding me. This shift was fundamental. It reached to depths I cannot now fathom and impacted me in ways I cannot summarize. It seemed a free choice on the most basic of questions.

With this acceptance, the torment suddenly changed to positive themes. Themes of young children—happy excitement, delighted play, self-abandoned joy. Many scenarios of childhood wonder and adventure. This was the beginning of a “new way.” It contrasted with the former negative way in every respect. It was simple instead of chaotic, shared instead of individual, fresh instead of repetitive. I felt cleansed and made new. (S 17)"

 

In the trips following that, the horror & suffering trips stopped, and he was shown the mechanics and workings of the Universe/Consciousness/Reality.

 

Edited August 26 by Water by the River