Trying to understand reality is a hallucination argument.

[Something Funny]

Hi @Leo Gura, in the Burgmansia post you mention how psychedelics empirically demonstrate that reality is a hallucination.

I assume that the ergument goes as follows:

Those chemichals affect our brain chemistry and reality changes with it, therefore reality is not a solid constant but a hallucination. Our sober state is just one of the possible mind states and is not more superior/turthfull to the state mind on psychedelics. In both cases reality is hallucination.

My question is how can we know for certain that our sober state of mind is the same and is not seeing reality more accurately to how it is (which would suggest that there's objective reality out there)?

A good counter argument I can come up with it is that our sober mind needs to see reality accurately in order to functuon and survive in it effectively. Therefore its superior to hallucinations on Datura and such.

How do we know this is not the case?

I know there are also other insights from awakenings and stuff that make you think that reality is hallucination but right now I am just interested in this one argument in isolation: do psychedelics really prove that reality is a hallucination?

 

[DecemberFlower]

Not sure about psychedelics buut his definition of hallucination might make it more clear.He said reality is a hallucination when he was talking about materialism so belief there is an objective external reality behind stuff we experience.Reality is a hallucination in a sense that there are only appearances so stuff we see hear touch etc and no external reality outside consciousness.

Also in what u said in that argument that we need to see reality accurately to survive effectivly what u meant is that accurate means consistent.We see predictable patterns every day like sun rising and falling,but that does not mean we see reality truthfuly.Cause we still miss that all of phenomena are happening in consciousness and not outside proving the hallucination. 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by DecemberFlower

[Razard86]

13 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Hi @Leo Gura, in the Burgmansia post you mention how psychedelics empirically demonstrate that reality is a hallucination.

I assume that the ergument goes as follows:

Those chemichals affect our brain chemistry and reality changes with it, therefore reality is not a solid constant but a hallucination. Our sober state is just one of the possible mind states and is not more superior/turthfull to the state mind on psychedelics. In both cases reality is hallucination.

My question is how can we know for certain that our sober state of mind is the same and is not seeing reality more accurately to how it is (which would suggest that there's objective reality out there)?

A good counter argument I can come up with it is that our sober mind needs to see reality accurately in order to functuon and survive in it effectively. Therefore its superior to hallucinations on Datura and such.

How do we know this is not the case?

I know there are also other insights from awakenings and stuff that make you think that reality is hallucination but right now I am just interested in this one argument in isolation: do psychedelics really prove that reality is a hallucination?

 

Truthfully he could explain it to you but its not going to do anything. You will need to test it out yourself. Also Leo isn't the only one calling it a hallucination and he isn't the first either. He likes the word hallucination because its very direct. But in truth there is no difference between a dream, imagination, and a hallucination. The key to you finding out if it is true...is putting yourself on the chopping block and testing it. 

Whether you agree or disagree with him is not going to change your reality. With that said....this work CAN destabilize your mind temporarily. Because....you could hallucinate an entire new reality, or if you are lucky only something small and minute. I once walked into the bathroom and shaved. I then cleaned the entire sink until there was nothing left, I then took the tissue I used to clean the sink and threw it into the trash. After I did that I looked at the sink....and it was full with hair EXACTLY arranged as if I didn't clean it!!! I KNEW I was hallucinating LOL. 

I also once hallucinated someone that I knew personally growing to 7 feet tall. The funny thing is when it happens...its literally indistinguishable from Reality. I stayed calm and my Reality went back to normal, no more erasing the present moment, and no more making people taller. But I know some people wouldn't be able to handle those changes. So understand that this work can be temporarily mentally destabilizing. 

[ExploringReality]

Everything is a hallucination! 

Everything is Imaginary!

There is no Inherent difference to reality of itself. Burgmansia is a hallucination, your brain is a hallucination, any chemical is something you imagine. Your literally imagining the entire fucking universe. This example with Burgmansia and datura is to demonstrate to you that reality and consciousness are way way way more serious and radical than you take it to be. You think you know what reality is because you take this state of consciousness that is suitable for survival as the ultimate or as realer than any other state of consciousness. Your ego driven survival agenda survival existence is what anchors itself in a waking survival state of consciousness, that's what is creating the distinction between real and unreal, insanity and sanity.

The deeper point is that mind is imagining everything, including physical reality, chemicals and brains. When you take this chemical or any strong hallucinogens, you unveil this Awakening in plain sight. Don't take this chemical because not only is it threatening to your physical survival, but you'll actually realize that survival, chemicals, brains and reality is all imaginary Baby.

Edited 3 hours ago by ExploringReality