Why God Realization is an Illusion

[Breakingthewall]

@kbone

It depends on your objective. When I read these authors, my goal is purely analytical; there's nothing that interests me personally about any of the authors. I mean, what I do is an analysis like a historian, purely out of hobby, interest, not as a search. The search is within yourself, not in books. That's fine at first; when you're completely closed off, mystical authors help open your perspective. But once you reach a certain point (a fairly basic point, by the way), nothing anyone says means anything in terms of penetrating reality, since you're not operating on a conceptual level. Then you can talk about your perspectives as we do here, same than you could talk about politics or anything else, just expression

When I was absolutely blind with a wall in front of my face all time I used to think: I can't believe those authors, maybe everything are bullshit or traps. Maybe the ultimate reality in nihilism, hell or shit, everything is possible. They could be a help in the sense of...let's see all of them say that ultimately reality is not horror, then when you face horror you think...let's trust a bit and let's get deeper. But nothing else

Edited Saturday at 06:05 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You have spiritual intuition and real inclination, for sure. Maybe not the fanatic will to break everything but probably you don't need it. 

I have had fanatic will to break through myself but with the goal of finding a sort of authentic better version of myself. It works to break through significantly but it doesn’t lead to complete breakthrough 

Might not be easy to understand as I find it’s a rather unique experience

Edited Saturday at 03:11 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have had fanatic will to break through myself but with the goal of finding a sort of authentic better version of myself. It works to break through significantly but it doesn’t lead to complete breakthrough 

Maybe at some point you have the need/compulsion to break through all barriers, and you focus on that to the fullest. Imo usually happens for two reasons: first, you perceive your current structure as a prison; you need depth, openness, absolute inner freedom. Second, you truly see the possibility of doing it; you sense it; it's there, just beneath the surface; you almost have it... that feeling. Then, intuitively, you do what you see leading to that. Meditation, psychedelics, or anything else you perceive as something that can help you break through the ice on the surface

[kbone]

45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@kbone

It depends on your objective. When I read these authors, my goal is purely analytical; there's nothing that interests me personally about any of the authors. I mean, what I do is an analysis like a historian, purely out of hobby, interest, not as a search. The search is within yourself, not in books. That's fine at first; when you're completely closed off, mystical authors help open your perspective. But once you reach a certain point (a fairly basic point, by the way), nothing anyone says means anything in terms of penetrating reality, since you're not operating on a conceptual level. Then you can talk about your perspectives as we do here, same than you could talk about politics or anything else, just expression

When I was absolutely blind with a wall in front of my face all time I used to think: I can't believe those authors, maybe everything are bullshit or traps. Maybe the ultimate reality in nihilism, hell or shit, everything is possible. They could be a help in the sense of...let's see all of them say that ultimately reality is not horror, then when you face tie horror you think...let's trust a bit and let's get deeper. But nothing else

Thank you for the honesty. That says a lot.

Right, nothing anyone says means anything with respect 'to' Truth, but what eventually SEES is indicative of the depth of penetration, maybe even Nothingness awakes to what it meant by the simple word. 

Ever had a gun to your head, with the distinct possibility that one of your organs could soon be harvested if you went down the dark black alley with the perpetrators? It was a cool horror in which conscious existence came to an extreme focal point, depth remained calm, communicated in a second language in an attempt to reach a deeper layer, and found a way.

Enjoy your courtroom analyses.

[kbone]

45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe at some point you have the need/compulsion to break through all barriers, and you focus on that to the fullest. Imo usually happens for two reasons: first, you perceive your current structure as a prison; you need depth, openness, absolute inner freedom. Second, you truly see the possibility of doing it; you sense it; it's there, just beneath the surface; you almost have it... that feeling. Then, intuitively, you do what you see leading to that. Meditation, psychedelics, or anything else you perceive as something that can help you break through the ice on the surface

Yes, no one knows how it will all turn out. Be open to what the limiteless inspires, even though the limited perception is all one has to work with... some peeps go forwards through the fog, others back up through it... ever approaching an unforeseen cliff. That last step is a doozy.

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, kbone said:

Ever had a gun to your head, with the distinct possibility that one of your organs could soon be harvested if you went down the dark black alley with the perpetrators? It was a cool horror in which conscious existence came to an extreme focal point, depth remained calm, communicated in a second language in an attempt to reach a deeper layer, and found a way.

Really? Sounds like an adventure. 

 

23 minutes ago, kbone said:

existence came to an extreme focal point, depth remained calm

I think that kind of attitude happens when the self trust is real, then panic is just an hindrance, calm is the best option to survive, it's automatic.