Paradigm Shift - Autotelic Living

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

• Meditation, Contemplation, Breathwork, Radical Introspection, Not-Knowing, Being a Polymath, Developing Different Kinds of Thinking, POV Switching, OOBEs, Remote Viewing, Writing Science Fiction.
• Read: Vadim Zeland, Andrew Galiimore, Peter Ralston, Greg Egan, William Gibson, L. Michael Hall.

How come you don't have psychedelics on the list ?

[theleelajoker]

24 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Cool, I'm curious, how does interaction with others help you to reprogram your mind ? (You mean by learning from other people's minds)

• It gives me a chance to act/react. Situatiuon ABC, what do I do? How I respond? What engery do I give into the situation? Action, action, action. It's like a soup, and I have the choice to select ingredients
• It gives me chance to feel, experience love
• It gives me chance to see what has been created. I like what I experience vs. I don't like. I give freely. Others give me freely. I act like a jerk. Others act like a jerk. Mirrowing myself, facing the creation. Accountability, responsibility
• It gives me chance to gain information that has been blocked / filtered / supressed by me, by my subconscious. Advice, new information, different perspective
• It gives me chance to be physical (so fucking crucial for me). Touch and being touched. Mind and body are connected for me
• It gives me chance to connect. Don't know how to describe it better...It's a feeling of "OK that's more then just my/her/his physcial 3-D structure"

Hope it makes sense

Edited July 4 by theleelajoker

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, theleelajoker said:

• It gives me a chance to act/react. Situatiuon ABC, what do I do? How I respond? What engery do I give into the situation? Action, action, action. It's like a soup, and I have the choice to select ingredients
• It gives me chance to feel, experience love
• It gives me chance to see what has been created. I like what I experience vs. I don't like. I give freely. Others give me freely. Mirrowing myself
• It gives me chance to gain information that has been blocked / filtered / supressed by me, by my subconscious. Advice, new information, different perspective
• It gives me chance to be physical (so fucking crucial for me). Touch and being touched. Mind and body are connected for me
• It gives me chance to connect. Don't know how to describe it better...It's a feeling of "OK that's more then just my/her/his physcial 3-D structure

Hope it makes sense

Cool, it does, thanks.

[theleelajoker]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

 A technique that has helped me a lot is imagining having had a past/childhood that was filled with infinite love. The more i play with changing the past, the more i experience identity shifts in the present.

I want to / will try this

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, theleelajoker said:

I want to / will try this

Yeah, whatever you felt was missing in your childhood, imagine the opposite, ie imagine having had a childhood where all your needs were met. 

(Complete your childhood by overwhelming it with love.)

Do this everyday for a few minutes and you will notice the difference for sure.

[CARDOZZO]

13 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How come you don't have psychedelics on the list ?

I do not use chemicals. 100% clean. No psychedelics, weed, LSD or alcohol.

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

I do not use chemicals. 100% clean. No psychedelics, weed, LSD or alcohol.

I respect that. 

You don't think though that something like LSD for example might open something up with regards to the genius quest ?

I think Steve Jobs for example experimented with LSD in his twenties.

 

[CARDOZZO]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

I respect that. 

You don't think though that something like LSD for example might open something up with regards to the genius quest ?

I think Steve Jobs for example experimented with LSD in his twenties.

 

Sure. I think 100% that is the case.

The truth is that I have fear to use it. My father was epileptic. I will accept that chemical limitation 😉

[theleelajoker]

8 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, whatever you felt was missing in your childhood, imagine the opposite, ie imagine having had a childhood where all your needs were met. 

(Complete your childhood by overwhelming it with love.)

Do this everyday for a few minutes and you will notice the difference for sure.

Thanks. It's what I need right now

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, CARDOZZO said:

Sure. I think 100% that is the case.

The truth is that I have fear to use it. My father was epileptic. I will accept that chemical limitation 😉

I hear you, that makes total sense. 

[CARDOZZO]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, that makes total sense. 

😉

[theleelajoker]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I respect that. 

You don't think though that something like LSD for example might open something up with regards to the genius quest ?

I think Steve Jobs for example experimented with LSD in his twenties.

 

During my last Vipassana retreat, I got high very similiar to LSD. Just no visuals. 

Did not take long, happened on second day. Just had to go through A LOT of uncomfortabel feelings before for few hours, especially physcially (nauseous, dizziness, almost becoming unconscious).

Bottom line: I am convinced that u can get there just naturally. Now, in everday life I often feel high as if I took MDMA or smoked weed without doing any of those things. Just happens, more or less randomly 

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

During my last Vipassana retreat, I got high very similiar to LSD. Just no visuals. 

Did not take long, happened on second day. Just had to go through A LOT of uncomfortabel feelings before for few hours, especially physcially (nauseous, dizziness, almost becoming unconscious).

Bottom line: I am convinced that u can get there just naturally. Now, in everday life I often feel high as if I took MDMA or smoked weed without doing any of those things. Just happens, more or less randomly 

Thanks, I've never been to a Vipassana retreat, will definitely check it out.

[Wilhelm44]

This guy's story is pretty cool, he's also a polymath.

@CARDOZZO

[Guest Nilsi]

This is a fantasy. The subject is not an autonomous core that exists prior to language or society. The subject is the effect of the signifier: it emerges only through its position within the symbolic order - the system of language, norms, and shared meaning. To be a subject is to be constituted by this field, not to stand outside it.

The idea of reprogramming one’s mind from scratch to become an autotelic “avatar” is itself formulated within the symbolic order. The fantasy of total independence - of a consciousness operating on a paradigm entirely alien to all human conditioning - is structured by the very language and social categories it seeks to transcend. Even the notion of a pure observer or sovereign witness is an imaginary identification: a construction that attempts to cover over the inherent division and lack at the core of subjectivity.

One can concede that there may be something akin to a “transcendental subject” - a dimension of awareness radically beyond language, social determination, and all familiar coordinates of the self. But even if such a dimension exists, it is not an “avatar” that can be appropriated or integrated into an autonomous identity. It is fundamentally ecstatic and liquidating: it dissolves the ordinary sense of ownership and coherence. There is no bridge by which this non-conceptual field can be installed as one’s internal world or used as the foundation for an autotelic self. Precisely because it is radically beyond the symbolic order, it cannot be stably claimed, narrated, or lived as a personal asset.

If the symbolic order were somehow dissolved completely, what would remain would not be a purified or self-originating “I.” What would appear instead is the Real: a dimension that cannot be symbolized or integrated into any coherent sense of self. This is not a higher form of subjectivity but the dissolution of subjectivity itself.

To return from that place and claim the position of an autotelic consciousness would simply be to re-enter the symbolic field in a different configuration. Even in traditions that describe radical non-conceptual awareness - such as Advaita Vedanta or the writings of mystics like Meister Eckhart and Ramana Maharshi - the moment such experiences are named, taught, or transmitted as realizations, they are thrust back into the symbolic order. They become signifiers within the social field, reinscribing the speaker in the shared horizon of language. The fantasy that there is a stable witness entirely outside signification is another attempt to mask the structural division and lack that define the subject.

One can create new concepts, new practices, and novel configurations of desire that feel radically singular. This is what Deleuze calls lines of flight. But such creations remain entangled in the symbolic and social domain; they do not constitute an exit from it. The subject does not pre-exist the field of signifiers but is produced by it. Without the symbolic order, there is no coherent witness left - no avatar - only impersonal experience that cannot be appropriated or claimed as one’s own.

If anything, „authentic“ spirituality - if it deserves the name - is precisely beyond the need to be special, beyond the fantasy of a unique and unassailable position. It is the recognition that what is most real is also what cannot be possessed.

[Guest Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Nilsi said:

This is a fantasy. The subject is not an autonomous core that exists prior to language or society. The subject is the effect of the signifier: it emerges only through its position within the symbolic order - the system of language, norms, and shared meaning. To be a subject is to be constituted by this field, not to stand outside it.

The idea of reprogramming one’s mind from scratch to become an autotelic “avatar” is itself formulated within the symbolic order. The fantasy of total independence - of a consciousness operating on a paradigm entirely alien to all human conditioning - is structured by the very language and social categories it seeks to transcend. Even the notion of a pure observer or sovereign witness is an imaginary identification: a construction that attempts to cover over the inherent division and lack at the core of subjectivity.

One can concede that there may be something akin to a “transcendental subject” - a dimension of awareness radically beyond language, social determination, and all familiar coordinates of the self. But even if such a dimension exists, it is not an “avatar” that can be appropriated or integrated into an autonomous identity. It is fundamentally ecstatic and liquidating: it dissolves the ordinary sense of ownership and coherence. There is no bridge by which this non-conceptual field can be installed as one’s internal world or used as the foundation for an autotelic self. Precisely because it is radically beyond the symbolic order, it cannot be stably claimed, narrated, or lived as a personal asset.

If the symbolic order were somehow dissolved completely, what would remain would not be a purified or self-originating “I.” What would appear instead is the Real: a dimension that cannot be symbolized or integrated into any coherent sense of self. This is not a higher form of subjectivity but the dissolution of subjectivity itself.

To return from that place and claim the position of an autotelic consciousness would simply be to re-enter the symbolic field in a different configuration. Even in traditions that describe radical non-conceptual awareness - such as Advaita Vedanta or the writings of mystics like Meister Eckhart and Ramana Maharshi - the moment such experiences are named, taught, or transmitted as realizations, they are thrust back into the symbolic order. They become signifiers within the social field, reinscribing the speaker in the shared horizon of language. The fantasy that there is a stable witness entirely outside signification is another attempt to mask the structural division and lack that define the subject.

One can create new concepts, new practices, and novel configurations of desire that feel radically singular. This is what Deleuze calls lines of flight. But such creations remain entangled in the symbolic and social domain; they do not constitute an exit from it. The subject does not pre-exist the field of signifiers but is produced by it. Without the symbolic order, there is no coherent witness left - no avatar - only impersonal experience that cannot be appropriated or claimed as one’s own.

If anything, „authentic“ spirituality - if it deserves the name - is precisely beyond the need to be special, beyond the fantasy of a unique and unassailable position. It is the recognition that what is most real is also what cannot be possessed.

 

[CARDOZZO]

5 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

This guy's story is pretty cool, he's also a polymath.

@CARDOZZO

I will watch it, thanks  

[Breakingthewall]

22 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Recently, I was doing a contemplation exercise where I was trying to THINK beyond the social domain (humans, social conditioning, external reality).

I became aware that to live an autotelic life, you will need to reprogram your entire mind from scratch. Your mind will need to work as an outsider, alien or mind engineer. Every action that will be taken, every thought, emotion or movement coming from your "Avatar" will have a unique, original and autotelic intention.

Imagine that: your internal world will be extremely alien to 99.9% of humans. You operate on a different scale, paradigm or foundation.

Imagine that your life purpose is extremely alien: you do not operate as 99.9% of humans on earth. Your motivation is something that no human that has ever lived on earth thought was possible.

Do you know anyone living as that? How rare is to transcend the whole social domain?

As a human, you are largely a hive entity. Everything you think, your emotions, your impulses, come from your relationships with others within a biological framework conditioned by millions of years of relationships with others. This isn't something negative that must be eliminated to become a plant, but rather something that must be understood so that it can flow cleanly, without obstacles.

Normally, we operate from fear and lack; this is useful since it's the simplest and most functional evolutionary strategy. If you want to break out of that paradigm and operate from plenitude of openess, you must understand all your mechanisms, your psychological structure, confront the emotional mechanisms that underpin your drive, your movement, and move from a closed structure focused on avoiding the bad to an open structure that flows freely.

[CARDOZZO]

6 hours ago, Nilsi said:

This is a fantasy. The subject is not an autonomous core that exists prior to language or society. The subject is the effect of the signifier: it emerges only through its position within the symbolic order - the system of language, norms, and shared meaning. To be a subject is to be constituted by this field, not to stand outside it.

The idea of reprogramming one’s mind from scratch to become an autotelic “avatar” is itself formulated within the symbolic order. The fantasy of total independence - of a consciousness operating on a paradigm entirely alien to all human conditioning - is structured by the very language and social categories it seeks to transcend. Even the notion of a pure observer or sovereign witness is an imaginary identification: a construction that attempts to cover over the inherent division and lack at the core of subjectivity.

One can concede that there may be something akin to a “transcendental subject” - a dimension of awareness radically beyond language, social determination, and all familiar coordinates of the self. But even if such a dimension exists, it is not an “avatar” that can be appropriated or integrated into an autonomous identity. It is fundamentally ecstatic and liquidating: it dissolves the ordinary sense of ownership and coherence. There is no bridge by which this non-conceptual field can be installed as one’s internal world or used as the foundation for an autotelic self. Precisely because it is radically beyond the symbolic order, it cannot be stably claimed, narrated, or lived as a personal asset.

If the symbolic order were somehow dissolved completely, what would remain would not be a purified or self-originating “I.” What would appear instead is the Real: a dimension that cannot be symbolized or integrated into any coherent sense of self. This is not a higher form of subjectivity but the dissolution of subjectivity itself.

To return from that place and claim the position of an autotelic consciousness would simply be to re-enter the symbolic field in a different configuration. Even in traditions that describe radical non-conceptual awareness - such as Advaita Vedanta or the writings of mystics like Meister Eckhart and Ramana Maharshi - the moment such experiences are named, taught, or transmitted as realizations, they are thrust back into the symbolic order. They become signifiers within the social field, reinscribing the speaker in the shared horizon of language. The fantasy that there is a stable witness entirely outside signification is another attempt to mask the structural division and lack that define the subject.

One can create new concepts, new practices, and novel configurations of desire that feel radically singular. This is what Deleuze calls lines of flight. But such creations remain entangled in the symbolic and social domain; they do not constitute an exit from it. The subject does not pre-exist the field of signifiers but is produced by it. Without the symbolic order, there is no coherent witness left - no avatar - only impersonal experience that cannot be appropriated or claimed as one’s own.

If anything, „authentic“ spirituality - if it deserves the name - is precisely beyond the need to be special, beyond the fantasy of a unique and unassailable position. It is the recognition that what is most real is also what cannot be possessed.

I appreciate your views on that matter. 

I agree - the self is trapped within the symbolic field. The self is a reflection of society and culture. I had to write like that to make people think completely beyond our current assumptions and cultural values. 

What we can do: becoming conscious, enrich and transform the symbolic field itself. (what if we can create a new symbolic field via transhumanism? - food for thought) 

The whole idea of this thread is to inspire human beings to become pioneers, innovators and geniuses. Strive to become a human being like Tesla, Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Franklin. (Don't compare yourself, become inspired by their achievements)

One thing that you do not want: thinking like a machine that can be replaced by AI. Explore novel ways of thinking, think what no human ever thought within the symbolic field.

Transhumanism is a door to further exploration.

 

[CARDOZZO]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

As a human, you are largely a hive entity. Everything you think, your emotions, your impulses, come from your relationships with others within a biological framework conditioned by millions of years of relationships with others. This isn't something negative that must be eliminated to become a plant, but rather something that must be understood so that it can flow cleanly, without obstacles.

Normally, we operate from fear and lack; this is useful since it's the simplest and most functional evolutionary strategy. If you want to break out of that paradigm and operate from plenitude of openess, you must understand all your mechanisms, your psychological structure, confront the emotional mechanisms that underpin your drive, your movement, and move from a closed structure focused on avoiding the bad to an open structure that flows freely.

I agree. It is not easy to think outside your own programming. But we need to entartain new human possibilities.