DMT Experience

[Nemra]

Truly, the more I do DMT, the more I see that I didn't know what actual spirituality is.

I see that people's lives are absurd, it's like observing ants.

The experience is so incredibly absolute that there's nothing outside it, which should make you burst into tears.

Edited Saturday at 05:50 PM by Nemra

[Nemra]

How does anyone deal with the loss of the deep absoluteness of experience and insane open-mindedness in their normal state?

My normal state is too limiting compared to the state that DMT gets me into; it's like being mentally retarded.

Edited Saturday at 11:04 PM by Nemra

[Nemra]

11 hours ago, Nemra said:

How does anyone deal with the loss of the deep absoluteness of experience and insane open-mindedness in their normal state?

My normal state is too limiting compared to the state that DMT gets me into; it's like being mentally retarded.

Anyone?

[UnbornTao]

23 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Anyone?

States come and go.

[Nemra]

22 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

States come and go.

You are always in some state.

It's just that DMT gets me into a radically high state, and when I return to my normal state, the loss is so great that I feel like I'm mentally retarded in terms of open-mindedness.

It's crazy how much absolute the experience gets on DMT.

It's not so easy to let go of that kind of open-mindedness and depth at your normal state.

[Leo Gura]

12 hours ago, Nemra said:

How does anyone deal with the loss of the deep absoluteness of experience and insane open-mindedness in their normal state?

My normal state is too limiting compared to the state that DMT gets me into; it's like being mentally retarded.

Yes! Humans are ants. There is nothing you can do to change that.

DMT shows you things no human is meant to see. Which is why it is outlawed.

Your parents told you not to do drugs. Now you understand why.

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

On 10/14/2025 at 3:13 AM, Nemra said:

But I still don't know what I am, beyond the identification of everything. There must be more. Although, I know what you and others might say.

Yes, there is tons more.

What you are is too insane to say.

[Nemra]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your parents told you not to do drugs. Now you understand why.

We didn't have enough time to discuss about such things, and I have always been such a secretive person that they probably thought that they didn't have to tell me.

Their fear is justified, but they're wrong on so many levels.

I'm glad I'm doing this in my late 20s, because I could have seriously traumatized myself.

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

DMT shows you things no human is meant to see. Which is why it is outlawed.

Which ironically makes me even more passionate about doing it.

I take full responsibility for such actions.

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, there is tons more.

What you are is too insane to say.

It's insane. Let's see what I will find out.

Edited 19 hours ago by Nemra

[UnbornTao]

40 minutes ago, Nemra said:

You are always in some state.

It's just that DMT gets me into a radically high state, and when I return to my normal state, the loss is so great that I feel like I'm mentally retarded in terms of open-mindedness.

It's crazy how much absolute the experience gets on DMT.

It's not so easy to let go of that kind of open-mindedness and depth at your normal state.

And your state never stays the same. The contrast is what allows you to recognize one state from another. You might ask what the substance of such open-mindedness is - what it's based on. You're essentially asking for a drug high to be permanent and then complaining that it wears off. It's best to see whether you could generate for yourself a state of radical openness, this will be different (perhaps more real and grounded) than a chemically-induced one. 

I'll agree that it is an experience - hopefully, you gained some insight from it.

[LambdaDelta]

It's all par for the course. Believe it or not, after you've done enough trips, especially at high frequency and intensity, those states will start to feel mundane too. Infinite consciousness can get bored of its own infinitude, it's so intelligent and holistic no content (state) is distinctive. That's why God incarnates as all these stupid limited forms, at a sufficiently low level of intelligence a toddler can be endlessly excited from playing peek-a-boo since they aren't even aware of object permanence. 

That's only the beginning, a necessary stage to pass. What you're doing now is a hike to the base camp and acclimatization, then serious mountaineering can really begin. Your baseline consciousness will get recalibrated such that immense insights will drop spontaneously during simple contemplation or even on a bus ride, with the benefit of time and articulation rarely available during peak psychedelic states. There starts the real work of parsing the entire structure of reality, how God functions on a technical level. Things like understanding how time is a logical necessity for maximization of Love & Perfection, perhaps even the exact mechanism of how Consciousness quickly raises itself to infinity and always adjusts back down despite brains, chemicals, and time having no meaning in those states. There's also a specific kind of awakening that gives a profound appreciation for being human, for the first time in your life – having a body, able to enjoy tasty food, have biases and vices, make mistakes... God himself doesn't have such liberties. 

Currently you're too starry-eyed about these new incredible realizations and experiences, but also unconsciously fearful of going deeper, rightfully so. Nothing to be done about that, attempting to skip will corrupt true understanding, if not do more damage elsewhere. Learn to enjoy the downs by properly contextualizing. But you'll most likely have to suffer greatly before getting to that point. 

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

And your state never stays the same.

I think you are talking more about substates in the human state.

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

The contrast is what allows you to recognize one state from another

Sure.

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

You might ask what the substance of such open-mindedness is - what it's based on.

I don't know what you think, but my depth of genuine open-mindedness depends on my state.

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

You're essentially asking for a drug high to be permanent and then complaining that it wears off.

I was just asking how anyone deals with such great difference.

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

It's best to see whether you could generate for yourself a state of radical openness, this will be different (perhaps more real and grounded) than a chemically-induced one. 

Maybe, I can generate some of it in my normal state, but I don't know that yet.

Saying that it is chemically-induced doesn't make it fake. Your body is composed of chemicals, and it needs chemicals.

So, if you're generating an open-mindedness in your normal state, then you have to take into account that it's still chemically induced, but not by psychedelics.

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

I'll agree that it is an experience - hopefully, you gained some insight from it.

Well, I still have little experience with psychedelics to say much with confidence, but there are some things that are too obvious in states induced by psychedelics.

Edited 17 hours ago by Nemra

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

Currently you're too starry-eyed about these new incredible realizations and experiences, but also unconsciously fearful of going deeper, rightfully so.

Yeah, I feel that.

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

Nothing to be done about that, attempting to skip will corrupt true understanding, if not do more damage elsewhere.

It seems that even if I wanted to stop, I would start to conceptualize about those states enough that I would deceive myself into thinking that I know what I'm talking about.

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

Learn to enjoy the downs by properly contextualizing. But you'll most likely have to suffer greatly before getting to that point. 

I probably will suffer. I can't do it and expect nothing to happen.

Though, it's huge.

Edited 17 hours ago by Nemra

[LambdaDelta]

8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It seems that even if I wanted to stop, I would start to conceptualize about those states enough that I would deceive myself with thinking that I know what I'm talking about.

This is fine. But you need to deeply internalize that Truth is the highest value. Not based on Leo's video, but very clearly and immutably within your own mind. Then intuitive recognizance of your wrongness will eventually overwhelm whatever perceived benefits you get from self-deceptions, prompting change from genuine not-knowing. Will be very painful regardless though. Anyhoo there's too much to expand on this, but you get the idea.

No need to stop entirely, just that extended breaks will occasionally be required. 

[Thought Art]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

It's insane. Let's see what I will find out.

Be mindful of that sneaky paradox… 

[Nemra]

@LambdaDelta, thank you for your perspective.

39 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

But you need to deeply internalize that Truth is the highest value.

It seems that I need to get more clear about my relationship with truth.

39 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

No need to stop entirely, just that extended breaks will occasionally be required.

I will try to understand how much and how long breaks I need.

Edited 17 hours ago by Nemra

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Be mindful of that sneaky paradox… 

What's that? You mean more insanity?

[LambdaDelta]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

I will try to understand how much and how long breaks I need.

You'll develop a sense for it. Health, logistical considerations, and such are factors, but secondary. It is a feeling that now's not the right time. I haven't tripped in nearly 3 months, unusually long for me. There has been a primal instinct beyond any reason that right now I don't want or need to see what God will show me. Several times I was about to inject myself and withdrew at the last second. This shit is so tricky, supposedly I pursue understanding no matter the cost, so such a situation can generate doubt and self-gaslighting. Gotta remember it's a long game, a timely strategic retreat is the wisest move. Then again some instances require ignoring every alarm bell and flooring the gas, no reverse gear. 

 

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

It seems that I need to get more clear about my relationship with truth.

Right-o, in fact make it a priority. Get to the bottom of why you're on this path in the first place, without a concrete answer you won't be able to endure its hardest moments. Perfectly self-consistent logical chains can come from just thinking through it, i.e. interconnecting Truth, Love, Nothingness, Goodness, Will, Infinity. Huge advantages on a practical level too. 

Edited 17 hours ago by LambdaDelta

[Nemra]

@LambdaDelta, how many trips have you done?

[LambdaDelta]

11 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@LambdaDelta, how many trips have you done?

Haven't kept count, definitely over 100 considering I've tried 60-ish substances. But fewer than 200. Only about 10-15% are truly groundbreaking however. Now I do it far less frequently but almost every new experience is next level. 

[Nemra]

@LambdaDelta, were you clear about what you wanted from psychedelics before you took them? Did psychedelics make you think from scratch and reevaluate your approach?

Edited 16 hours ago by Nemra