How to communicate with "others" when you see "Oneness"?

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Guys you make me laugh  

So glad we could be amusing.  Not the end goal.  End goal here is to push you towards awakening.  That you're even here at all is a miracle.  Laugh it off if you want.

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[UnbornTao]

"Pass the ketchup, please."

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[theleelajoker]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So glad we could be amusing.  Not the end goal.  End goal here is to push you towards awakening.  That you're even here at all is a miracle.  Laugh it off if you want.

Well, nothing wrong about taking things with sense of humor right? 

So why is this the end goal? 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, theleelajoker said:

Well, nothing wrong about taking things with sense of humor right? 

So why is this the end goal? 

Why did Leo make the videos?

If there is an audience of one it gets real boring real fast.  God is in a conundrum. 

[theleelajoker]

17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why did Leo make the videos?

If there is an audience of one it gets real boring real fast.  God is in a conundrum. 

I see what you mean. Sometimes it feels like that for me. But right now I still feel like being here a bit more. Stuff to do, experiences to make. 

And WTF always refer to others, to Leo? You are your own avatar, character, role, illusion, whatever. THIS gets boring bro. 

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[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

I see what you mean. But still feel like being here a bit more. Stuff to do, experiences to make. 

And WTF always refer to others, to Leo? You are your own avatar character, whatever. THIS gets boring bro. 

Look i ain't tryin" to wake you up bro.  Tried that with my gf and ended up in the dog house. I could care less.  Just saying. If you want Truth you came to the right place.  Now meditate, suffer, and get on some dope.  After that God will exist.

[theleelajoker]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Look i ain't tryin" to wake you up bro.  Tried that with my gf and ended up in the dog house. I could care less.  Just saying. If you want Truth you came to the right place.  Now meditate, suffer, and get on some dope.  After that God will exist.

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End goal here is to push you towards awakening.

Sounds like a contradiction, doesn't it? Ain't trying to wake me up, put end goal of pushing me towards awakening?

And then WTF about "no other sentinent beings", then why try to wake up your gf? 

Why trying to wake up your gf at all if you don't care?

Have done enough substances or dope. Yeah, there's suffering, I suffer too now and then, wanted to leave as well. But I am not suffering 24/7. And what else to do but keep going? If waking up is better then this, why go here in the first place?

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[Inliytened1]

30 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Sounds like a contradiction, doesn't it? Ain't trying to wake me up, put end goal of pushing towards awakening?

And then WTF about "no other sentinent beings", then why try to wake up your gf? 

Why trying to wake up your gf at all if you don't care?

 

 

Same as being inside of a dream..  The characters seem very real despite the fact that they are your own mind.

What do you really want out of this post.  It's obvious you are intelligent so tell me what you really want to know.  Do you want to know if other beings exist?  You're gonna have to awaken for that.  I can't share that with you

 

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[theleelajoker]

29 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Same as being inside of a dream..  The characters seem very real despite the fact that they are you own mind.

What do you really want out of this post.  It's obvious you are intelligent so tell me what you really want to know.  Do you want to know if other beings exist?  You're gonna have to awaken for that.  I can't share that with you

 

"Can't share the answer to this question" sounds fair to me. Much better then going in cryptic circles. 

What I want - beyond the question of how "others" experience reality : Learning how to make the best out of this ("my") experience. Understanding reality. Putting experiences and situations into context. But most of all, the first point. 

How to create the best possible experience / existence. 

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, theleelajoker said:

"Can't share the answer to this question" sounds fair to me. Much better then going in cryptic circles. 

What I want - beyond the question of how "others" experience reality : Learning how to make the best out of this ("my") experience. Understanding. Putting experiences and situations into context.

Appreciate what you have.  Many don't even have that.   I look at my own fallacies and then I recall that there is someone who struggles to even breath.  

[theleelajoker]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Appreciate what you have.  Many don't even have that.   I look at my own fallacies and then I recall that there is someone who struggles to even breath.  

I am not sure I am following...can you please elaborate? 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, theleelajoker said:

I am not sure I am following...can you please elaborate? 

You want to make the best out of this experience right, My advice is to appreciate what you have.  That is making the best out of this experience. 

[theleelajoker]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You want to make the best out of this experience right, My advice is to appreciate what you have.  That is making the best out of this experience. 

Ok this I get. I think it's good advice. Thanks.

The other part I don't get. "look at my own fallacies and then I recall that there is someone who struggles to even breath." 

You mean you can't be happy bc you know someone else is struggling? What you mean about own fallacies? Honestly, I am simply curios (also, ENG = second language)

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[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Ok this I get. I think it's good advice. Thanks.

The other part I don't get. "look at my own fallacies and then I recall that there is someone who struggles to even breath." 

You mean you can't be happy bc you know someone else is struggling? What you mean about own fallacies? Honestly, I am simply curios (also, ENG = second language)

No. What i mean is i might worry about being too short or too ugly and then I see a guy that can't even breath on his own.   And yet he still looks at the glass half full.  That's courage.  We should all learn from that.  Thats what oneness is about. 

 

 

 

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[theleelajoker]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No. What i mean is i might worry about being too short or too ugly and then I see a guy that can't even breath on his own.   And yet he still looks at the glass half full.  That's courage.  We should all learn from that.  Thats what oneness is about. 

Few days ago, I was at rock bottom. You can still find my posts here in this forum where I say this. Really rock bottom, like entertaining thoughts of ending my experience here at all. I became so incredible desperate that I did not see glass half empty, it was completely empty. Since allowing this deep sadness, desperation, loneliness, things are trending in a good direction. 

So, the lesson I took for me is to allow all feelings as best as I can. Yeah, of course I struggle with that a lot, often. But it gets better. 

So if I can give you advice? Don't force yourself to learn from the guy that can't breath. Don't tell yourself what you should or should not do. The way it is, it sometimes just fucking sucks. Feel that.  Courage, and Oneness is to allow ANYTHING, any feeling. Courage is to also feel like a coward from time to time. Feel and express this, to the very core of your being. And then see what happens next.

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[Wilhelm44]

18 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Few days ago, I was at rock bottom. You can still find my posts here in this forum where I say this. Really rock bottom, like entertaining thoughts of ending my experience here at all. I became so incredible desperate that I did not see glass half empty, it was completely empty. Since allowing this deep sadness, desperation, loneliness, things are trending in a good direction. 

So, the lesson I took for me is to allow all feelings as best as I can. Yeah, of course I struggle with that a lot, often. But it gets better. 

So if I can give you advice? Don't force yourself to learn from the guy that can't breath. Don't tell yourself what you should or should not do. The way it is, it sometimes just fucking sucks. Feel that.  Courage, and Oneness is to allow ANYTHING, any feeling. Courage is to also feel like a coward from time to time. Feel and express this, to the very core of your being. And then see what happens next.

Yeah, honesty and allowing is key. Denial and resistance is suffering.

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Few days ago, I was at rock bottom. You can still find my posts here in this forum where I say this. Really rock bottom, like entertaining thoughts of ending my experience here at all. I became so incredible desperate that I did not see glass half empty, it was completely empty. Since allowing this deep sadness, desperation, loneliness, things are trending in a good direction. 

So, the lesson I took for me is to allow all feelings as best as I can. Yeah, of course I struggle with that a lot, often. But it gets better. 

So if I can give you advice? Don't force yourself to learn from the guy that can't breath. Don't tell yourself what you should or should not do. The way it is, it sometimes just fucking sucks. Feel that.  Courage, and Oneness is to allow ANYTHING, any feeling. Courage is to also feel like a coward from time to time. Feel and express this, to the very core of your being. And then see what happens next.

Good stuff.  Be completely open.  And vulnerable.   Guess that's true courage. 

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[theleelajoker]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Good stuff. 

❤️

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

❤️

That's hard to do in the real  world though.  To wear your heart on your sleeve like that.

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[theleelajoker]

20 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's hard to do in the real  world though.  To wear your heart on your sleeve like that.

IT IS HARD. Took me a long time to deal with shame, lots of shame I was not even aware of,  until something slowly started to open up. 

IS IS HARD, BUT:  What you gonna do about it? Keep it hard for yourself? Keep it hard for others? Eat your emotions up until you break? Or be the guy that breaks the fucking cycle? 

BTW, my experience it not that external reality, others, whatever, will punish you for doing this. Last time I cried in public for the desperation and reasons above, the (male) friends around me all made an effort to be with me, support me. They feel the same. And when I cry in the presence of women, even on a date, most of them want to see me again. I think one of them once said "it makes me trust you". 

But nothing I say will and nothing I say SHOULD convince you. Either prove me wrong or come back here in few days or weeks and tell me that you had the same experience. Either way, I'll learn. 

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