How to communicate with "others" when you see "Oneness"?

[theleelajoker]

@MVPJOURNEY

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I can relate, very similar experience /learning curve for me. Taking things less personal, seeing the patterns that arise and are flowing through me and others and working with them constructively.

I can also see for instance how my life is synchronized with "others". 

The things you write - aligning, thought structure, more conscious choice of partner - is sth I just experienced with a woman last night when we were talking and exchanged your POV about life.

Once I became aware of this, it's incredibly obvious. I can see my actions in almost in every detail being reflected with others, almost instantly. There's this quote "be the change you want to see" ...well, this was always the case just took me long time to see.

The thing you write about the realizing the thought structure, the POV of realizing the dream as  @JoshB and @Inliytened1 are pointing out. Yeah maybe I don't see what they see, I don't know what I don't know. But to find out, the best strategy is IMO not to see what others KNOW, but how they ACT. 

But I am at a point where I do my best to take all understanding, all knowledge, all meta only as a tool for improved, more constructive action,, especially interaction with others. "Knowledge is useless if it's not used" my ex once said. I was stuck in only understanding most my life and see now how it kept me from actually doing and living.

Edited July 1 by theleelajoker

[MVPJOURNEY]

This video and the image at 24 minutes was the first time i got a taste of what was being spoken about re the thought structure, thought I'd share   I watched this video over and over, it felt like something was on the tip of my tongue (In my mind), haha. 

 

[JoshB]

 @theleelajoker We are talking about the fundamental metaphysics of reality. 

Being / Self is so fundamental that your understanding of yourself literally determines what reality is. 90% of this entire thread will have 0 practical application.

Once the duality of Self / Other is collapsed, the door to Absolute Conciousness and Understanding opens. Because you will realize that Being = Understanding. 

There is not other out there that understands something you don't. That is something you are imagining, and you and only you can stop imagining your lack of understanding. 

So really your root solution is to understand how you are fragmenting your own self and intelligence across all others. 

Edited July 4 by JoshB

[JoshB]

On 6/28/2025 at 2:26 AM, Inliytened1 said:

What is other? Its everyone other than the self right? Meaning you.   If everything is One than that would mean that other is illusory.  How else could other be illusory other than if reality was a mental construct?  Once you know it's a mental construct you can embrace it.  Once you embrace it there is no difference between whether reality is One of that there is actual separation.  It's treated by you the same at that point.  Because it doesn't make a difference in terms of living your life.  It only comes into play when you think about the Absolute.   But we don't spend our day to day living in the Absolute. 

He also needs to see that the self / ego is also a construction. Just as illusory as other is. And then God is just talking to itself. Instant, direct, intimate communication withones self. 

[Inliytened1]

19 hours ago, JoshB said:

He also needs to see that the self / ego is also a construction. Just as illusory as other is. And then God is just talking to itself. Instant, direct, intimate communication withones self. 

That must come fundamentally

 

[JoshB]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

That must come fundamentally

 

Of course. That’s why only becoming conscious is the true solution. Concepts and language can’t bridge that gap – only direct recognition can reveal there was never a gap to begin with.

[theleelajoker]

22 hours ago, JoshB said:

 @theleelajoker We are talking about the fundamental metaphysics of reality. 

Being / Self is so fundamental that your understanding of yourself literally determines what reality is. 90% of this entire thread will have 0 practical application.

Once the duality of Self / Other is collapsed, the door to Absolute Conciousness and Understanding opens. Because you will realize that Being = Understanding. 

There is not other out there that understands something you don't. That is something you are imagining, and you and only you can stop imagining your lack of understanding. 

So really your root solution is to understand how you are fragmenting your own self and intelligence across all others. 

@JoshB first all all, I appreciate your input. 

I get the part with ego = construction= illusory.

What I don't get is 

• How is understanding yourself /being= reality? Can you give a concrete example how this works?
• if there is no other that understands something I don't, how can conversations with other peoples give me information that it previously did not have, or put known information in different and constructive perspective? Happens all the time 
• How can this thread have close to zero practical implications? Isn't what we are doing exchanging information about understanding l, which is according to you= being?

[theleelajoker]

22 hours ago, JoshB said:

He also needs to see that the self / ego is also a construction. Just as illusory as other is. And then God is just talking to itself. Instant, direct, intimate communication withones self. 

Ok I'm talking to myself. But if I now call my mum and ask her about this conversation we are having here, or any other stuff, then she won't be able to have a response to the big metaphysical questions we are discussing now. She will be like "he what are you talking about?" From her limitations in space and time, she's not part of this conversation we are having, right?

But I have the feeling that she somehow will KNOW EXACTLY what we talk about in this thread. For the same reason you mentioned: all is one, no separation. I personally just have the feeling that information just gets coded in a certain way.

So what I am trying to learn here is how to it works, how I can improve in communicating. I only know my experience, so I do my best to get learn more.

PRACTICAL REAL LIFE EXAMPLE

Form instance, I talk with this girl, turns out she likes to do horse riding. Dressage to be precise.I ask her some questions, how she manages to get comfortable with new horses, how she approaches horses that are shy, how she knows when it's the moment to ride a horse, when it's a moment to just walk with it, comb its fur etc. She starts talking and at one point she says "I  slowly approach and get a feeling for the horse, if it's focused enough to learn a lesson or not"

An when she says that, there is a certain energy coming up within me, I can't shake the feeling that it's not about dressage lessons for a horse. It FEELS LIKE it's just a code for me, telling me how it works in life, how - let's call it "oneness" - is teaching me and how it gently points out to me to be focused and awake to receive information/ lessons. 

So that's the stuff I am interested in. Am I the only one having such impressions? Am I delusional? Am I projecting? 

Edited July 5 by theleelajoker

[theleelajoker]

@Inliytened1

Please go through all I and you wrote in this thread. So what I am seeing is that repeatedly, I asked for real experience, first person information, no meta, no abstract stuff, not you explaining the world to me.

Repeatedly, you avoided this. There's nothing about real experiences in your reply. You only reply with abstract meta stuff, explaining the world to me, there is not a single "I" in your sentences.

How come? Why are you avoiding answering in FPV and go meta all the time? I don't understand. Do you not have a first person experience of reality? Or are you unable to express it? 

Compare this to @Mvpjouney first reply for instance.

You can go even further. You have conversations with your boss, your best friend, partner, whatever.  How do you approach, how do you experience these conversations? What's happening before, during, after? What feelings, what thoughts, what sensations in your body are coming up? What messages are you sending, knowing that's it's oneness you talk with?

Edited July 5 by theleelajoker

[JoshB]

5 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

@Inliytened1

Please go through all I and you wrote in this thread. So what I am seeing is that repeatedly, I asked for real experience, first person information, no meta, no abstract stuff, not you explaining the world to me.

Repeatedly, you avoided this. There's nothing about real experiences in your reply. You only reply with abstract meta stuff, explaining the world to me, there is not a single "I" in your sentences.

How come? Why are you avoiding answering in FPV and go meta all the time? I don't understand. Do you not have a first person experience of reality? Or are you unable to express it? 

@Inliytened1 is being as direct as possible. He is pointing directly to existence itself. Because existence is one it completely  understands itself. 

Edited July 5 by JoshB

[JoshB]

@theleelajoker When you realize Self=Other you will precisely know how you know anything at all.

Through Being

Edited July 5 by JoshB

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, JoshB said:

@Inliytened1 is being as direct as possible. He is pointing directly to existence itself. Because existence is one it completely  understands itself. 

@theleelajoker .Maybe im not being direct enough. Or explicit enough.  Is it enough that I've died? That we both have?  That we both have experienced the bliss of God.beyond all measures?  I'm not going to rehash my awakenings to you because my awakening will be different from yours.  And different from @JoshB.  Yours will be unique.   Your awakening will be yours as God.

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[JoshB]

@Inliytened1 You told him you are absolutely dreaming reality and the illusion of others. Thats pretty direct in my mind. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, JoshB said:

@Inliytened1 You told him you are absolutely dreaming reality and the illusion of others. Thats pretty direct in my mind. 

 

He wants us to paint enlightenment for.him.  we can't do that.  He has to experience it directly.  Words can only go so far. As you well know.  This forum is but a doorway.   A doorway to Infinity.  Once you walk through that door don't expect to come back and be able to adequately explain it.  If you could I would be disappointed 😞 

 

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, JoshB said:

@theleelajoker When you realize Self=Other you will precisely know how you know anything at all.

Through Being

Yes via Being.  

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

On 7/1/2025 at 5:42 AM, MVPJOURNEY said:

This video and the image at 24 minutes was the first time i got a taste of what was being spoken about re the thought structure, thought I'd share   I watched this video over and over, it felt like something was on the tip of my tongue (In my mind), haha. 

 

This is one of the best videos he has. Hands down.   There are others but this one of the top.  The funny thing is he doesn't get it quite right here but he nails it enough to have an awakening on the spot if it hits you right.

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[JoshB]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He wants us to paint enlightenment for.him.  we can't do that.  He has to experience it directly.  Words can only go so far. As you well know.  This forum is but a doorway.   A doorway to Infinity.  Once you walk through that door don't expect to come back and be able to adequately explain it.  If you could I would be disappointed 😞 

 

He wants to be an artist but wants others to make his art for him. But bro doesn't realize he's the best artist there is. The irony 

Edited July 5 by JoshB

[JoshB]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes via Being.  

 

On 7/1/2025 at 4:42 AM, MVPJOURNEY said:

This video and the image at 24 minutes was the first time i got a taste of what was being spoken about re the thought structure, thought I'd share   I watched this video over and over, it felt like something was on the tip of my tongue (In my mind), haha. 

 

Saw this one years ago. When I saw the sponge instantly thought of this.

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, JoshB said:

 

Saw this one years ago. When I saw the sponge instantly thought of this.

15 minutes ago, JoshB said:

He wants to be an artist but wants others to make his art for him. But bro doesn't realize he's the best artist there. The irony 

God the sponge.    Yeah he brought props.  We are one of the little holes in the sponge.   We are the negative space in the sponge.  So where he got it wrong is that there are other empty spaces in the sponge that have experience or Consciousness.   All of it is an illusion. The illusion is not just that there s a self perceiving but that there are other selves perceiving as well.

Basically it was before he realized that he was God absolutely alone..

 

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[theleelajoker]

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