Why do you believe other minds don't exist?

[Dodo]

I am perplexed. There are other bodies, true or false? 

The body-mind is a complete organism. ONE person out of a billion. 

What my guess is that in your trips you experience pure awareness with no body and no mind and when you return your mind is quick to claim that as itself. Nah, that wasnt your mind. That was God, once your mind was removed.

There are in fact other minds. There is your mind and other minds which you cant experience, or this life cannot happen. 

One God, One Reality. Many minds. 

 

Im open to be proven wrong. Perhaps we have different definitions for words? Perhaps you mean something ellse by mind. Please explain yourselves, anyone claiming solipsism to be true. And you can go as deep and mindfucky as you want, I will try to grasp. 

 

 

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[Hojo]

Because there is no proof. You actually have to prove it. Saying other people exist is a proof you have to show is real. People are lying to themselves that its other people exist first and not, only my mind exists first. You are experiencing life from your mind only. When you see solipsism its like obviously I am only experiencing my mind and have never experienced any other persons mind. If you experienced someone elses mind it would take place in the same location you are experiencing your mind cause thats where you are sat.

 

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[Dodo]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Because there is no proof. You actually have to prove it. Saying other people exist is a proof you have to show is real. People are lying to themselves that its other people exist first and not, only my mind exists first. You are experiencing life from your mind only.

Im sure you dont speak for all solipsists here, because I think this is the most basic type of solipsism, or am i mistaken, i think other solipsist have something else in mind, but not sure. 

 

This is basically the same argument Atheists take to say why they dont believe there is a God. Just because they have no proof of something, they say its not true. 

Some things are true way before you find a proof, or whether you find a proof at all.  You just don't know. There is plenty of experiential evidence to suggest other minds. Its not like fairies. 

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[Hojo]

@DodoIts like an athiest and a God knower debating God. The onus is on the God knower to prove God in the debate. The athiest cant not prove God. All the athiest has to do is rebut claims.

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[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoIts like an athiest and a God knower debating God. The onus is on the God knower to prove God in the debate. The athiest cant not prove God. All the athiest has to do is rebut.

There we go. Well Leo for one says. You are God. He is the ultimate solipsist here and the ultimate God person. How come!!! So you would debate him that God is not true but Solipsism is true.

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[Hojo]

@Dodo

The athiest has skipped or ignored steps in his logic in order to get to not God but the God knower has to prove that to him.

The God knower cant prove God cause there is no proof he has to get the athiest to see hes missed something.

The default is solipsism, the default is God.

You have to make up that there are people out there to get out of solipsism.

Thats a lie you are telling yourself.

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[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Dodo

The athiest has skipped or ignored steps in his logic in order to get to not God but the God knower has to prove that to him.

The God knower cant prove God cause there is no proof he has to get the athiest to see hes missed something.

The default is solipsism, the default is God.

Who is the atheist tho, I dont get it. First you say you are solipsist just because you cant be sure other minds exist. But the other mind is right here telling you of its existence and you dont believe it just like the atheist wont believe a so called "God knower". 

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[Hojo]

@DodoThe athiest is the non solipsist the God knower is the solipsist.

The non solipsistic has skipped steps to ignore the fact that its solipsism and is lying to himself.

They do it with Logic,

Identity and location, logic is a word game.

The God knower or solipsist must be able to logically pick apart the non solipsist to show him where he is lying to himself.

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[Dodo]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@DodoThe athiest is the non solipsist the God knower is the solipsist.

Oh no no you didnt understand my question. Dont mesh those up now. I am asking WHO is the atheist. What Mind is that, it must be a different mind to the so called "God knower". 

[Hojo]

@DodoBoth are God. An empty space and mind just existing with sounds and voices in it.

Its not a different mind its a different dissociation.

Like you have your mothers voice in your mind and your fathers voice in your mind. Both are coming from you. This is the same thing on a larger scale.

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[Dodo]

37 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoBoth are God. An empty space and mind just existing with sounds and voices in it.

Its not a different mind its a different dissociation.

Like you have your mothers voice in your mind and your fathers voice in your mind. Both are coming from you. This is the same thing on a larger scale.

Sorry but I cant take this seriously. I will await someone elses response. 

By the way Leo is in no way a Theist. Most Theists actually look badly upon people who claim they Know God. To Theists Belief is really important.

Theist believes God exists, doesn't nevessarily know it. Thats one Mind, an atheist, another mind. You can call it anothrr vibration in the field, but we call that vibration a mind, we all have our own bubble we live within. 

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[Hojo]

@DodoI was using it as a reference so you can understand what I am talking about.

You can know God. Belief is bullshit. You have to know.

If you didnt know you could see God and think its a demon. Now you have a problem.

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[Dodo]

17 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoI was using it as a reference so you can understand what I am talking about.

You can know God. Belief is bullshit. You have to know.

If you didnt know you could see God and think its a demon. Now you have a problem.

You see the sheep and you say Ha! Ignorant sheep. But there is a shepherd who cares for them. 

All wolves scram when the shepherd and his trusty dog arrive. You need to believe. 

I do believe the Earth is round, without empirical evidence. Its just the reality. I believe in the 21st century. It's just real. I believe it. We do need more atheists and we do need more believers. They are all good people. What we dont want is no Satanists. Those are the wolves.

But hey,  a wolf can indeed turn into a trusty dog. With time. 😀

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[Dodo]

@Hojo one time man, when I was young, my grandmother was in the kitchen with me and pointed to the drawers and said to me that these are there because we believe they are there. 

I will never forget it, i can imagine it right now, those white drawers in that room, I can even imagine the room, i remember that moment vividly when I first questioned the power of belief.

Also, one time when I was younger than I can even remember anything, probably 3 or 4 or 7 i have no idea i remember my long gone dad telling me something about God and pointing his finger, and I can imagine vividly an image that I cannot describe in words, absolutely it was some mystical experience.

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[Loveeee]

3 hours ago, Dodo said:

There are other bodies, true or false? 

There is no body 

[Dodo]

23 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

There is no body 

🤣🤣 sir, this is not the enlightenment jokes thread. This is perfect. The perfect "Bully proves solipsism wrong by beating the shit out of you" 

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[Loveeee]

@Dodo You believe in matter ?

[Bluevinn]

@Dodo There are other minds.

Solipsists are people who just twist absolute truths and relative truths.

According to them there are no such things as relative truths.

They're getting some kind of dopamine hit when they do that. They do it as a flex. LOL

Absolute solipsism is just a fancy word for Non duality/Oneness.

Removing all kinds of limits. Collapsing all dualities.

So you're left with GOD.

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[Bluevinn]

32 minutes ago, Bluevinn said:

@Dodo 

Absolute solipsism 

Leo said there's only one kind of solipsism. The one you don't like.

32 minutes ago, Bluevinn said:

@Dodo Solipsists are people who just twist absolute truths and relative truths.

According to them there are no such things as relative truths.

So yes. He's doing this. The all mighty twisting.

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[Someone here]

16 hours ago, Dodo said:

Please explain yourselves, anyone claiming solipsism to be true. And you can go as deep and mindfucky as you want, I will try to grasp. 

Here's something more "minfucky " than solipsism.  There is no perceiver. light falls on a object then gets reflected into your eyes then goes to the perception centers in your so called brain . But where exactly is the image arrive in your brain ? Can you pinpoint a perceiver inside your head or brain ? You can't just say well in the sight perception center in the brain .you'd have to tell me in which millimeter exactly .and of course you can't.  There is no perceiver. So there is no you or others. There is just impersonal consciousness or being .stuff going in and out of you .(don't twist the meaning though lol).