How do you cope with man-children?

[Alexop]

17 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Not the most deep analysis to the whole world since culture influence a lot but is possible to get some insigths here

 

Great talk, really enjoyed it.  🙏 

[Alexop]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I bet he thinks you're being lame also. 

For sure. Even I think I am lame.

Edited yesterday at 07:48 AM by Alexop

[Salvijus]

It's funny. You're whining that others are wimps. Doesn't that make you a whimp also? 

[meta_male]

On 21.5.2025 at 2:42 PM, Alexop said:

How do you guys who live in post-modern "nice guy" environments deal with other guys?

What's there to deal with? Grab yourself by the balls and stop complaining, keep having fun with your women.

[AION]

You don’t deal with those men, nor is it your responsibility. At some point, you have to accept that not everyone is on the same path as you. Some people are stuck in cycles of self-sabotage, victim mentality, or pure laziness and no amount of outside advice will change them unless they have the internal drive to grow. You can’t force someone to wake up, take responsibility, or improve themselves. That spark has to come from within.

Your only real duty is to live your life, focus on your own growth, and walk the path of individuation becoming the strongest, most authentic version of yourself. If people around you are inspired by that, great. If not, that’s not your problem. Trying to "save" or "fix" others is usually a waste of time. Most men don’t change because of lectures; they change because life forces them to, or because they see someone living in a way they admire and start mimicking it subconsciously.

I have a friend group that practically worships me. They pay for everything when we go out, constantly ask me to hang out, and openly say they see me as their role model. Honestly, I don’t even try to be that for them it’s just how they perceive me because I live by my own rules, make my own decisions, and don’t get caught up in the usual nonsense most people do.

But here’s the reality: most people don’t learn through deep discussions or logical arguments. They learn through osmosis...monkey see, monkey do. If you carry yourself with discipline, confidence, and purpose, weaker men will either resent you or try to copy you. The issue is, most men today have no real role models. Society attacks masculinity, the system trains them to be obedient, and most mainstream "success" influencers are just selling empty motivation.

The closest thing to a role model for these lost men right now is Andrew Tate. Love him or hate him, he’s one of the few people speaking directly to the frustrations of modern men. Because of him, I started a business, got in shape, and fixed a lot of my mindset issues. He’s controversial, but he gets results and that’s why he resonates with so many.

The problem? He’s toxic in a lot of ways, and most guys won’t be able to separate the good advice from the bad. They’ll either reject him completely (missing the useful lessons) or blindly follow everything he says (turning into arrogant clowns). Very few will take what works and leave the rest.

At the end of the day, you can’t control how people see you or who they choose to follow. All you can do is lead by example. If they’re smart, they’ll learn from you. If not, that’s their problem, not yours. Focus on your own journey, and let others figure out theirs.

[Alexop]

@AION thanks. Yeah I know I cannot change them, I was just curious how you guys interact with them. Intellectually you cant because they will just spin around bullshit or get defensive, jealous, confused etc. and emotionally is also hard because they are boring as hell and afraid to crack good jokes and have fun.

[Alexop]

15 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It's funny. You're whining that others are wimps. Doesn't that make you a whimp also? 

Yes I am.

[AION]

8 minutes ago, Alexop said:

@AION thanks. Yeah I know I cannot change them, I was just curious how you guys interact with them. Intellectually you cant because they will just spin around bullshit or get defensive, jealous, confused etc. and emotionally is also hard because they are boring as hell and afraid to crack good jokes and have fun.

I’m not nice to them. Surprisingly being mean to them works much better.  Just insanely better. Important to keep your boundaries with nice guys. They are not nice usually.  And they don’t understand things like value for value. 

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Yes I am.

🫶

[Salvijus]

15 minutes ago, Alexop said:

@AION thanks. Yeah I know I cannot change them, I was just curious how you guys interact with them. Intellectually you cant because they will just spin around bullshit or get defensive, jealous, confused etc. and emotionally is also hard because they are boring as hell and afraid to crack good jokes and have fun.

If you're not compatible with someone, why do you assume they are the problem? 

[Alexop]

32 minutes ago, AION said:

I’m not nice to them. Surprisingly being mean to them works much better.  Just insanely better. Important to keep your boundaries with nice guys. They are not nice usually.  And they don’t understand things like value for value. 

Exactly!! Good points !

[Alexop]

29 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If you're not compatible with someone, why do you assume they are the problem? 

You still deal with them on day to day.

[Alexop]

56 minutes ago, meta_male said:

What's there to deal with? Grab yourself by the balls and stop complaining, keep having fun with your women.

Did I ask you what I should do? I asked how you guys deal with them. 

[SwiftQuill]

"I'm a woman and I hate men so hey men here is my opinion on something I know nothing about"

Anyway 

This is in my opinion the best video that explains healthy masculinity. I don't enjoy posting Leo's videos in this forum for the sake of variety but this video is great.

Key traits of a healthy masculine man:

• Stoic, grounded, unaffected by other's opinions
• Icy, resists the tendency to behave neurotically
• Edgy
• Sexual, not ashamed of expressing his sexuality
• Self confident
• Authentic - he hits hard on this concept and it's the one I agree with the most.

To me the topic of masculinity is very personal because I struggled with it for a very long time. Only very recently, say last year, did I truly start accepting myself and became more authentic. Authenticity is something powerful and it actually improves your mental health and life satisfaction a lot.

Don't listen to the stage green retards who say real men have "feelings" and "aren't afraid to cry" and are all feminists and respectful.

Masculinity comes with some drawbacks. Not every single trait is 100% perfect.

By being edgy, you risk being offensive at times. By not being edgy, you risk being boring.

So I think each man has to discover what his form of masculinity is, how it feels best according to his personality.

 

[AION]

What most guys don’t get because nobody told them about it; there is a social hierarchy. And women are very aware of this. If you hang out with losers you are one of them. I do hang out with them but they are not my equals and they know it. The only reason I do is because I want to give back, and when I teach another I grow myself too. To get girls in a nut shell is that you have to frame or position yourself and socially higher than her. But these nice guys put girls on a pedestal and they immediately get disqualified. They need to work on themselves and build their self esteem by transmuting jealousy, fear and other emotions they have into productivity. 

[SwiftQuill]

@AION that's very true. Also a lesson that took me a very long time to learn. It can be difficult for those who are hyper left brained like myself to understand these things.

And as much as I find it cringe the whole alpha vs beta vs sigma male hierarchy BS, there is some truth to it as well.

[Salvijus]

16 minutes ago, Alexop said:

You still deal with them on day to day.

What if there's nothing wrong with them? 

[AION]

@SwiftQuill look into the book whole brain child, to balance your brain and become less left brain. I also give coaching if you are interested. 

[Salvijus]

@Alexop if you are able to identify unconicousness in someone, the masculine to do would be to help them see that, not to judge, criticize and demean them. Real masculinity is about brotherhood, not dick measuring contest to prove yourself better than others. By being a dick you'll think you're being masculine, but it's just insecurity. 

Edited yesterday at 09:20 AM by Salvijus

[meta_male]

29 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Did I ask you what I should do? I asked how you guys deal with them. 

And I gave you an example.