Why i am not a vegan ?

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

You only need an argument for a thing when you want to justify its existence. What compels you to justify your meat-eating? Guilt? Do yourself a favor and accept your selfishness. Carrying meat-eating guilt around just diminishes your health even further than the meat-eating. Lol. 

Exactly my point.

People come up with these elaborate defenses to assuage their own guilt... because deep down, they know that they're not eating meat for health or to preserve culture or whatever the content of the justification is.

It's all because they don't agree with their own actions. And they are shadow boxing with imaginary Vegans in their mind... that represent the way they really feel.

[Majed]

@Emerald We cannot have an intelligent debate with these kind of bullcrap psychoanalyses. My argument is valid. Stop the psychoanalyzing and respond to the actual argument. 

[Emerald]

32 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Emerald We cannot have an intelligent debate with these kind of bullcrap psychoanalyses. My argument is valid. Stop the psychoanalyzing and respond to the actual argument. 

I prefer not to respond to dishonest arguments. But I'll humor you.

My response to the substance of your argument: The existence of Vegans and Veganism doesn't cause harm to culture.

My honest reaction to your post: My perception is that you don't really care about the actual argument itself. 

Like, you don't seem to care about preserving culture in any other context.

In fact, a lot of your posts are direct critiques of your own religious/cultural background.

And there are certain posts where you try to go radically contrarian against cultural standards with hypotheticals around "What if we questioned social norms and dropped taboos around (fill-in-the-blank extremely taboo thing)?" 

So, I don't buy for a second that you're pearl clutching about Veganism undermining culture... nor do I believe you genuinely believe that it does cause harm to culture.

It's pretty clear to me that you're just looking for a way to defend your own actions in your own eyes because you're uncomfortable with your own actions.

[AION]

6 hours ago, Emerald said:

Exactly my point.

People come up with these elaborate defenses to assuage their own guilt... because deep down, they know that they're not eating meat for health or to preserve culture or whatever the content of the justification is.

It's all because they don't agree with their own actions. And they are shadow boxing with imaginary Vegans in their mind... that represent the way they really feel.

If this is the case why do you let your child eat meat. You allowing your child to eat meat is admitting doing what you just wrote down. 

[Leo Gura]

Children need to eat rats to grow big and strong.

No rat, no dessert.

[Joshe]

[Emerald]

On 5/30/2025 at 2:25 AM, AION said:

If this is the case why do you let your child eat meat. You allowing your child to eat meat is admitting doing what you just wrote down. 

I choose my actions based on my values. And I have two values that are at play...

1. I don't like it when animals are needlessly suffering and are killed for the sake of human pleasure. So, I have chosen to abstain from eating meat and animal products, because I don't want to contribute to something that I have such a strong visceral reaction against even seeing it happen.

2. Sovereignty and personal choices is important to me, and I want to respect it in others... including in my children.

So, I would never try to control the dietary and lifestyle choices of other people. And I don't feel right controlling the dietary choices of my children, since I wasn't Vegan when they were born.

Like, if I were Vegan before they were born and my husband was also Vegan (he's not), we could have just set that up as the normal way without them feeling deprived of choice and of their favorite foods.

But if I were to just be like, "Okay kids. I, as your mother, am your supreme authority. You're Vegan now! DEAL WITH IT!" that would not sit right with me because that kind of top-down authoritarian control is just not good parenting.

Plus, they would rebel from it as soon as they turn 18 and become hyper-carnivores just to get away from parental authoritarianism.

So, I am Vegan to bring MY OWN actions into integrity with MY OWN sovereign values.

But it is not for me to tell anyone else what they should value. And it is not for me to control the dietary choices of another person.

Instead, I just focus on getting people to be conscious of their own sovereign values and to become aware of how their own actions are misaligned with their own values.

And once they face those realities about themselves, they can do whatever they want from there.

That's why I'd never try to convince a person who doesn't value the life and well-being of animals to go Vegan. It is not my place to tell them what they should value.

But if someone doesn't like it when animals to needlessly suffer and die and disagrees with eating animals for pleasure... then I try to get them to see that their actions are misaligned from their own values.