The responsibility of understanding Truth

[PolyPeter]

22 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But one can do so in a way that doesn’t seem forced

can you please provide at least one example of how you can do so in a way that doesn't seem forced?

[PolyPeter]

23 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

So why is the world they way it is? Because everything is a process

Nice! everything is a process. And I Am absolutely ready to be part of the process of humanity into becoming a higher consciousness species than it already is. 

I am not gonna just sit back and wait for the rest of the world to awaken on their own. I want to help the ones that seek help. But also set the ground for the ones that do not have a clue about it. 

Every single human is taking part in this massive process. Ones decide to just chill and let it all happen, "without intervention", failing to see that, in itself that is a way of intervention. 

Again, I am not saying we should force Consciousness, Truth, God, into someone else. I am saying that, because it is actually The Truth, it is inevitable, and communicating the inevitable is just as important, IMO, as awakening one's self. 

If a Gigantic Meteorite comes to Earth, then, the astronomers looking at it would run to tell everyone else! not because they want to impose their beliefs of massive annihilation, but because it is actually true. This is too relativistic of an example, but I hope it illuminates my point a little bit more.

[PolyPeter]

30 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

"When you dance, you don't dance to get to the other side if the room as fast as possible. You dance to dance".

Beautiful.

My way of dancing is a little bit like this: Maximize consciousness within humanity.

[Breakingthewall]

@PolyPeter seem that you want to spread a new religion 

[PolyPeter]

29 minutes ago, aurum said:

If you place helping others above your own clarity, you've just fallen into self-deception.

I'm writing this into a paper and sticking it to my wall!

[PolyPeter]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

new religion 

Religion requires Belief. 
Truth has nothing to do with belief.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, PolyPeter said:

Religion requires Belief. 
Truth has nothing to do with belief.

What is the truth? Would you reached that truth without any belief?

[PolyPeter]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is the truth? Would you reached that truth without any belief?

Radical skepticism, even skepticism of your own skepticism, is not about beliefs but rather the opposite. 

I see your point that in many cases, in order to just start to look for the truth, you must have some sort of Belief that there might or might not be such thing as Truth.

But that is different from directly knowing what Truth is. Without the mind, without the filter of perception messing it all up. 

You are truth, you don't have to look for it outside of yourself for believe in it to know it, in fact, that's the chief mistake! 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, PolyPeter said:

Radical skepticism, even skepticism of your own skepticism, is not about beliefs but rather the opposite. 

I see your point that in many cases, in order to just start to look for the truth, you must have some sort of Belief that there might or might not be such thing as Truth.

But that is different from directly knowing what Truth is. Without the mind, without the filter of perception messing it all up. 

You are truth, you don't have to look for it outside of yourself for believe in it to know it, in fact, that's the chief mistake! 

Yes I know all of that, but then, if you really would know the truth, you would know that it's absolutely impossible that someone who's not absolutely ready for a process that is the opening of your being to the absolute reality would do it. People looks outward not inward 

[aurum]

17 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

I'm writing this into a paper and sticking it to my wall!

Nice!

[PolyPeter]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

absolutely ready

ok, this leads me to the following:
How to know when someone is ready? 
How to know when someone is not ready?
How can you measure readiness? 

[theleelajoker]

31 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

Beautiful.

My way of dancing is a little bit like this: Maximize consciousness within humanity.

Go make your experiences. Do whatever you feel is right.

If you suceed, I congratulate : ) If you find that you are feeling like Don quijote fighting the wind mills - don't take it personal. That's just the way the cards have been stacked

[theleelajoker]

4 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

ok, this leads me to the following:
How to know when someone is ready? 
How to know when someone is not ready?
How can you measure readiness? 

For me: I know it when I see it. Typically, I am too optimistic  

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

ok, this leads me to the following:
How to know when someone is ready? 
How to know when someone is not ready?
How can you measure readiness? 

When they really want it. Not bliss, or evasion, or do psychedelic to believe that they are god imagining the reality like a game. just absolute openenss. If someone really want that, means that's ready 

Edited May 12 by Breakingthewall

[PolyPeter]

21 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Go make your experiences. Do whatever you feel is right.

If you suceed, I congratulate : ) If you find that you are feeling like Don quijote fighting the wind mills - don't take it personal. That's just the way the cards have been stacked

Ok!! Thank you for your messages!! 

This is a veeery long term goal. So, any milestone will be celebrated.

You are actually correct when you mention the Don quijote reference, I do feel some of that from time to time, but I will take your advice and not take it personal. 

[PolyPeter]

23 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

For me: I know it when I see it. Typically, I am too optimistic  

I understand, I don't see it too often where I live. I think it has to do wit the location, third world countries may have it a little bit more difficult to have an enlightened population, due to survival issues being more common, I guess.

when you say optimistic, you overestimate how ready a human is? has this ever been a problem for you or the other?

[PolyPeter]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

When they really want it. Not bliss, or evasion, or do psychedelic to believe that they are god imagining the reality like a game. just absolute openenss. If someone really want that, means that's ready 

Ok, this is still difficult to measure or to recognize. Someone can be lying to you about what they want, whether they know it or not.

How do you handle this scenario?

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, PolyPeter said:

Ok, this is still difficult to measure or to recognize. Someone can be lying to you about what they want, whether they know it or not.

How do you handle this scenario?

It's easy to perceive, almost everyone who's in spirituality are pursuing bliss, immortality and feel accepted . Its a kind of evasion. Then in some moment they have some experiences, they match them with everything that they ve read and they think that they know the truth, but then, after some time some crisis happens. Almost no one is on the path to real enlightenment.

[PolyPeter]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Almost no one is on the path to real enlightenment

This is certainly true! 

For now.

I can imagine a future of humanity where it is elevating its baseline consciousness and falling into traps is not so common as it is today.

Maybe it is the optimistic mindset, maybe is reading the tendencies. 

Thank you for the answers !! 

[theleelajoker]

41 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

I understand, I don't see it too often where I live. I think it has to do wit the location, third world countries may have it a little bit more difficult to have an enlightened population, due to survival issues being more common, I guess.

when you say optimistic, you overestimate how ready a human is? has this ever been a problem for you or the other?

Yes, I too believe that location matters. I am aware that much of my development is only possible because I have privileges that allowed me to do what few can do.

Yes I overestimate their level of openness, readyness. It's a problem because it scares people away. Imagine someone wakes you up with a bucket of water vs. gently touching you.

It's also a problem also because in such situations I place awareness and intention OUTSIDE and on result instead of focusing inside and on what I want to express. Expectations are created, and that creates resistance, and thinking etc.

Inside vs outside and expect vs express are a programms that I am changing step by steps but it costs me and others lots of energy in the past. 

Over time and with many failures there is of course progress. My impression is that deeper exploration of my inner world let me become more and more skilled in communication and seeing my potential influence or its limits 

 

Edited May 12 by theleelajoker