Is Consciousness wrapped up w/ the brain

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On 02/05/2025 at 8:42 AM, patricknotstar said:

I am not a materialist but just from experience , brain injury changes your personality. Now is that just a phenomena god is dreaming and not how the materialists understands it, which is there is an external objective reality where this biological tissue called a brain holds your memories and orchestrates thoughts, thus changing its structure changes your identity in a pretty fundamental way, idk.

It's all a strange loop.

The players are: consciousness, the stuff of consciousness or experience or appearances, materialism.

There are all different views on the same thing. I'm calling it Ugg.

First off you can collapse the duality between consciousness and appearances. They are in fact one. You cannot have consciousness without something to be conscious of. There's nothing more than appearance, no meta or beyond. Yes, you can tell yourself stories about what's beyond, but those stories themselves are appearances. Absolute Truth is also an appearance. Absolute certainty is an appearance. The nature of consciousness is that it is conscious of something, but the act of being conscious is the same as the thing it's conscious of (observer and observed are the same).

Materialism is a more slippery beast, because it's a concoction of appearances, and stories about those appearances. There are no atoms making up matter, those are pure stories made up to explain appearances - all map, no territory. All you have are appearances that behave as if there were atoms orchestrating them, in other words there are regularities you can tease out of appearances which you can build a story from. Materialism isn't wrong as such, like a map of the world isn't wrong, it just isn't the world itself.

You can crack someone's head open and see a brain yes, that's territory. You can measure it's electrical activity and prod and poke it. You can ask its owner what they're experiencing. You can see someone's personality change after a brain injury, and attribute it to the brain changes. But all that is map. Appearances behave as if there is an objective reality, the story of objective reality.

Consciousness manifests brains, and then changes itself through them. Consciousness manifests eyes and then sees objective reality. Or more correctly it's all Ugg.

Edited May 3 by LastThursday