A thought about reincarnation

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat yes it is that is what reincarnate. The black space and you are erased from it. Then the lights come back on and you are something else.

Cool

[Nemra]

37 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Everything being in my experience concludes a self that is having that experience 

If by "self" you mean a separate conscious experience inside your direct experience, then you are imagining it; otherwise, that "self" must not be limited to being a human at all and contain EVERYTHING that you experience, which means things that you say "not me" are "me".

I'm also having a hard time understanding what that "self" implies.

I know that people here will call it God. However, I would rather not pretend that I'm conscious of it.

I have had an insane mystical experience, which I barely remember, but now in my current state I can't and don't want to conclude stuff as I have to go beyond my state.

Edited April 18 by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, Nemra said:

If by "self" you mean a separate conscious experience inside your direct experience, then you are imagining it; otherwise, that "self" must not be limited to being a human at all and contain EVERYTHING that you experience, which means things that you say "not me" are "me".

I'm also having a hard time understanding what that "self" implies.

I know that people here will call it God. However, I would rather not pretend that I'm conscious of it.

I have had an insane mystical experience, which I barely remember, but now in my current state I can't and don't want to conclude stuff as I have to go beyond my state.

“Then you are imagining it” I like to say the brain is imagining itself kind of

[Clarence]

15 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I am also open to the idea of there being other forms of life, in other places or maybe even pararell realms

I think it makes a lot of sense that there are other forms of life. It wouldn't be reasonable to believe that the only form of life that can ever exist is the one we know: the one of human beings on planet Earth.

There are infinite possibilities for planets, beings, and materialities. And we agree we're not our body, so why couldn't we keep going when we die — and even come back, creating ourselves as another human again?

We lose our body and our human identity with physical death, yet that's not who we fundamentally are.

The insanity would be to believe that life — our own consciousness — will end, when so many testimonies, of people from all countries, ages and backgrounds, tell the same story after having a near-death experience or accessing memories of their afterlife through regression hypnosis.

It's as if one were to talk to people who discovered a new continent. The travelers would tell of their incredible discovery, share the same information in perfect coherence, despite all going seperately and at different times. Yet the listener would dismiss the existence of that other continent as false and impossible, simply because they've never been there themselves and strongly believe their continent is the only one that exists. In fact, they wouldn't even want to listen to the testimonies of the travelers!

That is so unscientific, yet, that's what many people do.

Sugarcoat: I'm not necessarily talking to you directly, but I'm baffled that certain people call themselves scientists when they totally dismiss information that doesn't fit their belief system.

It's as hard to comprehend that scientifically minded people know, despite not having any proof or direct experience, that consciousness is created by the brain and bound to the physical body. How could this make sense? It makes even less sense when it's a belief constructed by people who call themselves rational.

I understand it's where a lot of people are at in their development, but still, there are so many incoherences in people's minds, and they don't even want to try to uncover them.

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

“Then you are imagining it” I like to say the brain is imagining itself kind of

You haven't seen your brain but only the brains of others or depictions of brains, which you use to think about your brain.

Let's say there is some technology that allows you to see your brain. That also happens in your direct experience.

The brain is not something that exists outside your experience that produces your experience independent from the experience.

The brain can't imagine itself if you say that it includes everything and is also something inside your skull at the same time.

However, I would say that the brain is something that has huge control of your direct experience.

Edited April 19 by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Nemra said:

You haven't seen your brain but only the brains of others or depictions of brains, which you use to think about your brain.

Let's say there is some technology that allows you to see your brain. That also happens in your direct experience.

The brain is not something that exists outside your experience that produces your experience independent from the experience.

The brain can't imagine itself if you say that it includes everything and is also something inside your skull at the same time.

However, I would say that the brain is something that has huge control of your direct experience.

I don’t know it’s just my theorizing. But it’s like it’s all appearance, but the appearances work in certain ways. So if you drop a glass on the floor it will break. So the appearance of the floor and the glass interact and affect each other. So I see the brain. The brain produces the sense of self, the appearance of the brain creates the appearance of a self. I don’t know this though , it’s just my theorizing 

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Clarence said:

I think it makes a lot of sense that there are other forms of life. It wouldn't be reasonable to believe that the only form of life that can ever exist is the one we know: the one of human beings on planet Earth.

There are infinite possibilities for planets, beings, and materialities. And we agree we're not our body, so why couldn't we keep going when we die — and even come back, creating ourselves as another human again?

We lose our body and our human identity with physical death, yet that's not who we fundamentally are.

The insanity would be to believe that life — our own consciousness — will end, when so many testimonies, of people from all countries, ages and backgrounds, tell the same story after having a near-death experience or accessing memories of their afterlife through regression hypnosis.

It's as if one were to talk to people who discovered a new continent. The travelers would tell of their incredible discovery, share the same information in perfect coherence, despite all going seperately and at different times. Yet the listener would dismiss the existence of that other continent as false and impossible, simply because they've never been there themselves and strongly believe their continent is the only one that exists. In fact, they wouldn't even want to listen to the testimonies of the travelers!

That is so unscientific, yet, that's what many people do.

Sugarcoat: I'm not necessarily talking to you directly, but I'm baffled that certain people call themselves scientists when they totally dismiss information that doesn't fit their belief system.

It's as hard to comprehend that scientifically minded people know, despite not having any proof or direct experience, that consciousness is created by the brain and bound to the physical body. How could this make sense? It makes even less sense when it's a belief constructed by people who call themselves rational.

I understand it's where a lot of people are at in their development, but still, there are so many incoherences in people's minds, and they don't even want to try to uncover them.

I agree

 

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

it’s like it’s all appearance, but the appearances work in certain ways.

Yeah.

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

So if you drop a glass on the floor it will break. So the appearance of the floor and the glass interact and affect each other. So I see the brain. The brain produces the sense of self, the appearance of the brain creates the appearance of a self.

You could also say that specific positions of atoms and molecules produce the sense of self because they make up the brain.

I would say the brain is configured in a way that you have self-awareness, which helps you realize what direct experience is, which contains your brain.

It's like a mirror. The mirror helps you to see your body, but your body is not in the mirror, nor did the mirror create your body.

Edited April 19 by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

20 hours ago, Nemra said:

You could also say that specific positions of atoms and molecules produce the sense of self because they make up the brain.

Yea I think so

20 hours ago, Nemra said:

I would say the brain is configured in a way that you have self-awareness, which helps you realize what direct experience is, which contains your brain.

It's like a mirror. The mirror helps you to see your body, but your body is not in the mirror, nor did the mirror create your body.

It’s like the brain is the first appearance to produce self awareness. Like a self doesn’t appear in a piece of toilet paper. The configuration of the toilet paper doesn’t produce a self

Then the question would be if the self awareness is exclusively tied to the brain. If you destroy the brain you can end self awareness, so there seems to be a connection. But then on the other hand we have things like out of body experiences, or when an astral body with self consciousness travels outside the body. Suggesting self awareness might not be exclusive to the physical brain. Maybe there’s other appearances that can produce self awareness. It’s fascinating 

[Nemra]

@Sugarcoat, e.g., if you stick a pencil into your eyes, then you won't be able to see again.

However, your experience doesn't exist in your eyes. Your eyes exist in your experience.

😧😁

42 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Suggesting self awareness might not be exclusive to the physical brain. Maybe there’s other appearances that can produce self awareness.

There has to be.

Edited April 20 by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Sugarcoat, e.g., if you stick a pencil into your eyes, then you won't be able to see again.

However, your experience doesn't exist in your eyes. Your eyes exist in your experience.

😧😁

There has to be.

Yea. It’s mind twisting

[Nemra]

@Sugarcoat, my world flipped outside in when I realized that experience doesn't exist in specific parts of my body, and my body, especially my sense organs, doesn't somehow exist outside of my experience when I started contemplating how I'm actually experiencing reality.

That was such a gratifying realization for me at that time. I got goosebumps.

[Salariatu]

Reincarnation is a belief system, and the collective ego consciousness a.k.a agent smith, will make for you the illusion and spiritual experience of reincarnation. 

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Salariatu said:

Reincarnation is a belief system, and the collective ego consciousness a.k.a agent smith, will make for you the illusion and spiritual experience of reincarnation. 

I kinda believe in it

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Sugarcoat, my world flipped outside in when I realized that experience doesn't exist in specific parts of my body, and my body, especially my sense organs, doesn't somehow exist outside of my experience when I started contemplating how I'm actually experiencing reality.

That was such a gratifying realization for me at that time. I got goosebumps.

We don’t know that right

[Nemra]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

We don’t know that right

??

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

??

I meant isn’t that something that science has been pondering that we don’t know. Whether there is something “behind the scenes” of experience or not. If there is an objective external world (I don’t think so). So when you mention that your sense organs don’t exist outside your experience, I said that we don’t know. But from my experience yes I agree it seems as if everything is what is occurring in my experience 

[Nemra]

@Sugarcoat, why do you think that it's science's job to provide answers to those types of questions?

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

So when you mention that your sense organs don’t exist outside your experience, I said that we don’t know. But from my experience yes I agree it seems as if everything is what is occurring in my experience 

You think things might be, seem to be, etc., and yet you believe in things that sound true to you.

I'm saying that ... it is ... because you "see" the obviousness of it when you contemplate your experience.

Edited April 21 by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

20 minutes ago, Nemra said:

why do you think that it's science's job to provide answers to those types of questions?

I don’t mean it’s sciences job I just used science as example how it’s one of those questions that are pondered widely 

21 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@SugarcoatYou think things might be, seem to be, etc., and yet you believe in things that sound true to you.

I'm saying that ... it is ... because you "see" the obviousness of it when you contemplate your experience.

hahah I might sound hesitant but it’s just because I truly don’t know. But if you feel you’ve came to a truth then I respect that for you. For me I still don’t know but I reflect on it

[Princess Arabia]

There is no dream. It's a story. Stories and dreams are identical. The I is the dream. No I no dream. There is no actual I. Reality isn't dreaming because there actually is no reality. Reincarnation is a story. An idea. A concept. A person recalling a past life is memory "memorying". There's no one already to have a past life. There's no life right now. It's all stories and beliefs and constructs. Point to reality. You'll be pointing to a car, a bird, a tree, a house, a mountain, a star, a moon, etc. Reality is in the mind and the mind is thoughts continuity of itself and you've attached yourself to all this and now there's a world you live in and a life being lived by you. That's the dream. It's not happening. The death of you is the death of the dream. No you, no dream. No dream, no stories of reincarnation. IT'S ALL STORIES.