Epistemology of a Doctor

[zurew]

58 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Are you insane?

Why do you question him, when he is:

1 hour ago, integral said:

the most capable sleep specialist on planet earth

 

[zurew]

12 minutes ago, integral said:

@zurew if a financial advisor graduates fresh from school, are they qualified? How about after 10 years are they then qualified? 

You’re conflicting education with qualification.

What was the process by which you concluded that you are the most capable in that field?

Run us through your process  - how you identify issues and how you diagnose and then tell us how that is different from how other sleep specialists do it (because surely you have a large collection of data about how they do it and you dont just assume it) and then explain why your process is better and more reliable.

 

And given your standards, im very sure that its not just about your fancy epistemology, where you can throw around words like "holistic thinking", but your confidence is empirically backed up by a trackrecord of you solving the root issues of many many patients.

Edited yesterday at 04:57 PM by zurew

[integral]

@zurew I explained all that already in the larger comment I made to you on the first page

Edited yesterday at 05:06 PM by integral

[zurew]

I assume you don't have anything like this:

30 minutes ago, zurew said:

And given your standards, im very sure that its not just about your fancy epistemology, where you can throw around words like "holistic thinking", but your confidence is empirically backed up by a trackrecord of you solving the root issues of many many patients.

 

So you have an AI generated list of things that you run through when a patient shows up?

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❌ Root‑Cause Analysis
❌ Systems‑Biology Perspective
❌ Personalized Nutrition
❌ Gut Microbiome Optimization
❌ Comprehensive Lifestyle Medicine
❌ Advanced Hormone & Neurotransmitter Assessment
❌ Detoxification & Environmental Health
❌ Functional & Genetic Testing
❌ Mind‑Body Integration
❌ Patient‑Practitioner Partnership
❌ Small‑N “Self‑Experimentation”
❌ Longitudinal Outcome Monitoring
❌ Integration of Complementary Modalities
❌ Preventive & Predictive Focus
❌ Meta‑Epistemic Awareness

 

When you run the 'Small‑N “Self‑Experimentation”' on the patients, how do you do it? Do you randomly tweak things and change things until the patient gets the preferred outcome  or you have a very nuanced empirically backed way to do it where you can pinpoint and explain the reasoning behind each tweak and change?

Edited yesterday at 05:21 PM by zurew

[integral]

@zurew I explained my epistemology is based on interacting with hundreds of doctors and sleep specialists, that’s how I assess their profile. And the data set is me, I solved an incredibly difficult problem with my own health that is outside the scope of the healthcare industry. The data set also includes thousands of perspectives I’ve consumed over many years.

And the data requirements you just asked of me you would never be able to get from a doctor or a sleep specialist, they are not tracking their success rates. They are not gathering data of any kind based on what worked in practice and what didn’t.

The only qualification a doctor should have is their success in practice, but none of them are keeping track of any of that, because none of them are following up with any of their patients in any meaningful way. They don’t even know if they’ve done harm to their patients.

and like I said, asking the scientific community for data on success rates is like asking the mafia to prove the mafia isn’t corrupt.

Zurew in a nutshell: “only empirical data is worthy epistemology, every other way of knowing is full of shit, and I demand clarity!”

Please construct your epistemic profile on Trump with your scientific data. 🙄

[integral]

34 minutes ago, zurew said:

So you have an AI generated list of things that you run through when a patient shows up?

I listed random shit A doctor would never check in practice or interconnect various things together to find the root problem of someone’s issue. Most diagnoses are surface level stuff. If you break a leg or have a blood infection you’re in luck because this is a surface level diagnosis that is correct, with a surface level solution like antibiotic. If your problem isn’t surface level you fall under the cracks, and that is the main focal point of this whole conversation, the bulk of things that a doctor is unconscious of

Zurew response: WERES THE DATA!!! 😂

Edited yesterday at 05:54 PM by integral

[zurew]

So you are the best in a field, because you allegedly solved your problem. An interesting way to earn the "best in the field" title, but even aside from that its even more interesting that you can give yourself that title, but hey you are right, who else would be more qualified to give anyone that title (if not you), who has the nickname of  the most capable sleep specialist on planet earth

You have an n=1, but you are 100% confident that whatever method you used, that method was responsible for solving your problem. 

 

Since you are such an advanced and careful and holistic and tier2 thinker , you can surely walk us through your reasoning that establish why you have such a high confidence that the method you used was responsible for solving your problem and you can also walk us through how you came up with your own hypothesis (what kind of things motivated your hypothesis given all the unique variables that surrounded your case and your problem)

Edited yesterday at 06:14 PM by zurew

[zurew]

1 hour ago, integral said:

Zurew in a nutshell: “only empirical data is worthy epistemology, every other way of knowing is full of shit, and I demand clarity!”

Do you think that you can solve disagreements about the outcome of experiments  and about the validity of a given medical hypothesis without appealing to and without collecting empirical data?

Do you think this is philosophy where we can just sit back and argue and solve disagreements with pure argumentation without any need to track and test shit?

What do you think , why do we track the outcome? Do you think thats somehow non-empirical or something?

 

Hint: You don't need to ditch the scientific method in order come up with a new special hypothesis. 

Edited yesterday at 06:59 PM by zurew

[integral]

58 minutes ago, zurew said:

You have an n=1, but you are 100% confident that whatever method you used, that method was responsible for solving your problem. 

The methods I use were all in the domain of science, it’s just the people working the jobs cannot interconnect or do the problem-solving necessary to solve anything in practice. Scientific progress does not reflect what happens in practice. In the real world, they give you a bunch of rigid tests and if they don’t work, they’re lost.

I already know everything you’re saying the scientific lens is as clear to me as it can get. I’m not a hippie type, I come from the intellectual rationalist scientific materialist sceptical background. And I went through college and university through high sciences.

The insight I have on this topic do not need to come from empirical data. I explained this already. Next the point I’m making is the Sleep Specialist has fractured epistemology and cannot interconnect many things together to find out the root cause of an issue. I know this because I’ve seen it in practice over and over again and I directly experienced zero capacity to solve a real problem from these people.

And you want me to give you empirical evidence of why a person can’t solve problems in the real world? I don’t get it. You’re lost using the same tool for every job.

 

[integral]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

the most capable sleep specialist on planet earth

Yes, because I solved a sleep related health problem outside the bubble of the healthcare industry. And in order to do that I had to master the domain. A sleep specialist has never had a sleeping problem nor do they have a good track record currying sleeping problems in practice. I know this because I know what they do on a daily basis in those clinics.

Edited yesterday at 07:09 PM by integral

[zurew]

14 minutes ago, integral said:

And you want me to give you empirical evidence of why a person can’t solve problems in the real world? I don’t get it. You’re lost using the same tool for every job.

I asked you very clearly what I want from you.

1 hour ago, zurew said:

you can surely walk us through your reasoning that establish why you have such a high confidence that the method you used was responsible for solving your problem and you can also walk us through how you came up with your own hypothesis (what kind of things motivated your hypothesis given all the unique variables that surrounded your case and your problem)

Explain what justifies your level of confidence and explain how you came up with your hypothesis .

 

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, integral said:

That’s not how it works in practice.

You said they don't have knowledge.

 

5 hours ago, integral said:

if you have narcolepsy, they’re just gonna give you a drug and send you home telling you that your disease is permanent and you have to take this drug for rest of your life. This is not actual holistic understanding,  were they identify a gut Microbiome problem is giving you narcolepsy, so they intelligently figure out that your gut was the problem and then they help you solve that indirectly fixing your narcolepsy. They are not solving problems in this holistic way, they instead just give you a drug and think it’s permanent which is unholistic. Can you understand why based on the explanation I just gave?

You can criticize medical practicioners without making the demonstrably false claim that they don't have any knowledge about x y and z.

 

5 hours ago, integral said:

Most sleep specialists are random people with bachelors degrees that are doing a repetitive job that they do not improve at. They are not PHDs giving lectures and running a company pioneering the industry. A guy giving a lecture is not on the field, diagnosing people with parasites in their guts causing autism. Never will a doctor diagnose, autism through parasite infection…. This is an indirect thinking process that doctors do not have or do not do. 

In what part of the world can you be a practicing medical doctor with a bachelor's degree? Medical doctors know a lot about the body and medicine in general. Their specialization just means they know extra about that thing.

 

4 hours ago, integral said:

If there’s 100 different research papers with unique reasons causing a sleeping problem. Your doctor will use none of them to diagnose you… they don’t even know it exists because they didn’t learn that in school.

Medical doctors routinely take courses and go to conferences and seminars to update themselves on the newest knowledge in their field. So that is the opposite of true.

 

5 hours ago, integral said:

How would you know? Did you interact with 20+ sleep specialist? Did you spend 10+ years solving your own sleeping problems?  What is your epistemology?

You interacting with sleep specialists with your specific problems does not teach you everything about what sleep specialists are capable of, because if you had had slighty different problems, they would have interracted with you in a different way.

 

I have a question: what entrains the SCN?

Edited yesterday at 09:20 PM by Carl-Richard

[integral]

@Carl-Richard that is a fantasy world, that’s not how the real world works. There’s nothing I could say other than to experience it yourself one day and you’ll see for yourself.

You’re repeating the idealist ivory tower representation our society and culture puts onto these things. In practice, it is a disaster.

One of the most dangerous things you could do in your life is blindly take the advice from a doctor. By the time you know it, you’re on 30 different medication’s because you resisted nothing, and your life is absolutely destroyed.

But let’s keep it real when you interact with the doctor you rarely do anything they tell you because you have your own opinions on whatever they say. It always seems that way whenever I interact with people that have these high expectations of doctors they themselves don’t actually listen or do anything that the doctor tells them.

A doctor does not represent the pinnacle of scientific understanding, half of them told me to not go to the gym because it raises blood pressure. 🙄

Edited yesterday at 10:08 PM by integral

[Carl-Richard]

23 minutes ago, integral said:

@Carl-Richard that is a fantasy world, that’s not how the real world works. There’s nothing I could say other than to experience it yourself one day and you’ll see for yourself.

You’re repeating the idealist ivory tower representation our society and culture puts onto these things. In practice, it is a disaster.

You're not the only person in the world that talks with or knows doctors.

 

23 minutes ago, integral said:

One of the most dangerous things you could do in your life is blindly take the advice from a doctor. By the time you know it, you’re on 30 different medication’s because you resisted nothing, and your life is absolutely destroyed.

There are definitely cases where this is true, but you are making quite wild and demonstrably false statements like "they don't have any knowledge about x y and z" and "they don't learn anything new after their basic training" (which is what exactly?) and "most of them are random people with bachelor degrees". Any critique of anything must start with a sober and grounded approach.

I'm still curious: what entrains the SCN?

Edited yesterday at 10:26 PM by Carl-Richard

[Aaron p]

8 hours ago, Nilsi said:

 

Why is everyone attacking integral? The guts of what he's saying is pretty sound. From what I gather he's just pointing out that docs deal with thousands of patients and don't always get paid to dive deep into complex medical situations with cutting edge, creative and experimental methods. Like GP's are just "general" practicioners. Or that doctors entire career is based on rigid theory leaving little room for expanded intuitive problem solving, big picture awareness and structure awareness...

 

Yeah I mean I have one incredibly direct and obvious experience they proves what I think integral is trying to say, is correct:

 

When I was dependent on weed as it was destroying my mental health. I went to different doctor's multiple times. They were so busy looking for tiny causes or trying to look for complex medical information (which spanned years) that they missed something extremely basic and obvious...stop smoking weed. Even when I realised this myself and told them explicitly that this was the issue the help they gave me was dog shit. Granted medical practitioners in my country are probably not held to quite as high standards as American practitioners, but I mean I resonate with what integral is saying deeply. 

Some of the people arguing with integral are being quite immature here... I mean... Guys...

8 hours ago, Nilsi said:

The moderator Integral’s intelligence is child’s play, a monkey could mimic whatever his cult leader tells him without questioning anything.

The mark of stupidity is that he thinks blind following is originality, and that because the echo chamber that is this forum has validated him as being at the pinnacle of something very important, he must be intelligent.

Yet Integral has never questioned what originality or individuality is, revealing the lack of both - coming, predictably, from someone who can’t even write his own posts and has to rely on AI to do it for him.

This has got to be the lowest quality comment on this website I have seen in the last year (possibly of all time).

@Leo Gura this guy needs to be looked at...

Edited yesterday at 10:47 PM by Aaron p

[Carl-Richard]

41 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

Why is everyone attacking integral? The guts of what he's saying is pretty sound.

I can be right about the guts of what I'm saying that God is the ultimate authority but believe that the Earth is flat and was created 6000 years ago, and that would be a problem.

[integral]

4 hours ago, zurew said:

I asked you very clearly what I want from you.

Explain what justifies your level of confidence and explain how you came up with your hypothesis .

It's too long to explain. I spat out two pages of speech to text and then fed it to an AI to organize it and here it is.

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Take all the ideas I wrote and organize them into clear, well-structured paragraphs that fully illustrate each point without leaving anything out or being vague.

1. Failed Consultations with Medical Professionals

When my health issues began—centered around severe sleep disruption—I did what any reasonable person would do: I sought professional help. I consulted doctors, general practitioners, sleep specialists, and gastroenterologists. What I repeatedly encountered was dismissiveness and reductionism. I was told my problem was “all in my head” and was offered a variety of medications as band-aid solutions. No one was interested in understanding the root cause of my suffering. They operated within narrow diagnostic boxes, and when those boxes didn’t yield easy answers, I was cast aside.

2. Transition to Independent, Hypothesis-Driven Experimentation

Realizing I was on my own, I began a process of self-guided, long-term experimentation. My approach was structured around forming hypotheses and testing them rigorously. For example, I suspected that food allergies might be disrupting my sleep, so I eliminated certain foods and monitored changes in sleep quality for weeks or months. When one hypothesis didn’t yield results, I would formulate a new one and repeat the process. This trial-and-error journey was slow, methodical, and intensely personal. It became clear to me that the complexity of chronic health issues demands this kind of granular, sustained investigation—something I never saw in conventional practice.

3. Dealing with Medical Gatekeeping and Institutional Dogma

As I refined my hypotheses, I would sometimes need formal medical testing. I would research specific tests—like heavy metal panels or hormonal evaluations—and request them from doctors. Most of the time, my requests were denied. For example, when I asked to test my mercury levels due to potential environmental exposure, I was told it was irrelevant to sleep. The only way I could access the tests I needed was by fabricating scenarios that fit into the medical system’s rigid logic (e.g., claiming I worked in a mercury-contaminated factory). I had to manipulate the system—not out of dishonesty, but out of necessity—because telling the truth about what I was actually trying to do made me seem delusional to them.

4. The Flaws of Both Conventional and Functional Medicine

Even holistic and functional medicine practitioners, who are generally more open-minded, failed to demonstrate real problem-solving ability. Most of them offered expensive, pre-packaged protocols that were generic and non-specific. They could not handle chronic, unique cases that required deep diagnostic thinking. They lacked the intellectual flexibility, creativity, or stamina to go beyond standardized approaches.

5. The Dismissal of Patient Experience and Data

Time after time, I was dismissed or even scolded by doctors when I tried to share carefully documented reactions I’d had to specific drugs. They told me that what I experienced was impossible, citing statistical norms or pharmacological dogma. My personal, meticulously tracked experiences were seen as irrelevant—even though I had eliminated confounding variables (consistent diet, sleep schedule, environment) and isolated interventions with precision. Doctors were married to general ranges and population-based averages and failed to understand that individuals can exist meaningfully outside of those ranges.

6. A Scientific, Yet Embodied Approach to Experimentation

My process was far from anecdotal or haphazard. Each experiment was conducted under tightly controlled conditions: my diet, environment, and schedule were all stabilized. I introduced new variables systematically, observed their impact over time, and collected data through both subjective experience and objective testing (when I could convince doctors to assist). I applied core principles of science—control, isolation of variables, feedback loops—better than many institutional practitioners.

7. Canada’s Healthcare System as a Double-Edged Sword

Living in Canada made this experimentation possible. While I faced constant resistance from the medical system, at least I wasn't financially devastated by the cost of repeated testing. In the U.S., this journey would have been impossible for someone without significant financial resources. I would have been ruined just trying to run the necessary diagnostics.

8. The Hidden Influence of Pharmaceutical Incentives

Doctors are often unknowingly influenced by pharmaceutical companies. They are trained to promote specific drugs and often have direct contact with industry representatives. This creates a massive structural bias in their treatment recommendations. Novel or patient-suggested ideas that fall outside pharma-sponsored frameworks are usually ignored or dismissed.

9. Challenging Basic Assumptions

One of the most powerful parts of my process was my willingness to question even the most basic assumptions. I asked whether everyday practices—like brushing teeth or washing clothes—might be contributing to my symptoms. That level of epistemic openness is rare. People are socially and psychologically conditioned to treat such assumptions as untouchable truths.

10. A Breakthrough Through Environmental Elimination

Eventually, I made a critical discovery: my symptoms—hallucinations, thousands of voices at night, and episodic psychosis—were environmental. After moving into a new house and experiencing worse symptoms, I experimented by sleeping in a tent in the woods. My sleep quality drastically improved. Returning to the house immediately re-triggered the same severe sleep problems. The only real variable was air quality—a detail virtually no doctor had considered important.

11. The Laundry Detergent Discovery

After further experiments, I realized the specific cause: laundry detergent. The scent and chemical residues in my bedding and clothes were triggering severe neurological responses—hallucinations, voices, and psychosis-like symptoms. To test this, I had to sterilize the entire laundry environment, sanitize shared spaces, and force my household to use only specific detergents. This solved the problem completely. I had spent over a decade suffering because of a reaction to something as mundane as fabric chemicals. And yet, to this day, almost no one I share this with believes me.

12. Resistance and Mockery from Society and Family

When I shared my discovery—especially with family members suffering from similar health issues—I was mocked. They laughed, called me a conspiracy theorist, and accused me of acting superior. People, including loved ones, cannot comprehend this kind of indirect reasoning. It is too counterintuitive. And it clashes with the narrative of passive dependence on experts and genetics as destiny.

13. Kidney Pain and Genetic Fatalism

For example, in my father’s house, several relatives had serious kidney damage and had undergone organ removal. When I visited, my kidneys would begin to hurt after a short time. I eventually realized the air quality was once again the culprit. Those without the genetic predisposition didn’t react, but for those with vulnerable kidneys, the exposure accelerated damage. No one else could see this. Everyone believed the issue was purely “genetic,” and they refused to explore environmental triggers.

14. Connecting Cortisol to Psychosis

Later on, I discovered research showing that elevated cortisol can induce psychosis. Some medications designed to reduce inflammation by increasing cortisol have psychosis as a side effect. That information clicked into place for me: many of my episodes were occurring during sleep—when I was likely experiencing sudden cortisol spikes. This simple connection—cortisol as a potential trigger—was never brought up by any doctor. Yet it explained a large portion of my symptoms and allowed me to refine my treatment approach further.

15. Doctors’ Inability to Think Systemically

The common thread in all of this is that doctors are not trained to think systemically. They do not treat the body like a complex, interrelated system. They operate like technicians following flowcharts. If a symptom doesn’t fit the chart, or if the solution isn’t part of their training, they shut down and defer or dismiss. They don’t know how to think in chessboard terms—to see how one subtle factor might indirectly influence a distant system in the body. Their failure is not due to bad intentions—it’s due to bad training and epistemic blindness.

Conclusion

My journey to solving my health crisis was not just about finding a cure—it was about rebuilding an entire epistemology of healing. It required total openness, years of methodical experimentation, critical thinking, humility, and the courage to question what everyone else blindly accepts. I succeeded not because I was smarter than doctors—but because I was willing to see what they could not, and to do what they would not.

 

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Now give me a clear list of what my epistemology was.

Here’s a clear and structured list outlining the epistemological framework you used to solve your health problem. This captures your actual method of inquiry—how you came to know what you know, and how that differs from conventional approaches:

Your Epistemology – A Layered and Experiential Strategy for Truth-Seeking

1. Direct Experience as Primary Data

Treated your own body and lived experience as the most reliable source of data, not external authority.

Paid close attention to subjective phenomena like sleep quality, hallucinations, psychosis, energy levels, and physical symptoms.

Trusted personal outcomes over institutional opinion when the two conflicted.

2. Hypothesis-Driven Experimentation (n=1 Science)

Created clear, falsifiable hypotheses (e.g., “Maybe X food is disrupting my sleep”).

Ran tightly controlled experiments with variable isolation (e.g., diet, environment, routines).

Assessed results through iterative trials lasting weeks or months.

3. Environmental Systems Thinking

Treated your environment as a dynamic system (air quality, chemicals, toxins, household products).

Explored non-obvious causal chains (e.g., detergent → air → neurological response).

Identified indirect triggers through systemic reasoning, not just symptom matching.

4. Pattern Recognition Across Time

Tracked subtle changes across long timescales and recognized patterns others missed.

Used contrast experiments (e.g., tent vs. house) to identify contributing variables.

Connected changes in context (location, detergent, weather, diet) to physiological reactions.

5. Interdisciplinary Research

Researched across domains (e.g., toxicology, immunology, neurology, psychoneuroendocrinology).

Cross-referenced ideas from diverse sources (functional medicine, academic papers, anecdotal forums).

Integrated fragments of insight from multiple disciplines into a unified theory of your condition.

6. Tactical Use of Institutional Tools

Used conventional medicine tactically—not for diagnosis, but for access to tools and tests.

Manipulated institutional logic to access lab tests (e.g., by fabricating stories).

Understood how to use the system without trusting it blindly.

7. Rigorous Elimination of Assumptions

Systematically questioned everything—even basic cultural assumptions like the safety of toothpaste or laundry detergent.

Refused to accept “common knowledge” without testing it for yourself.

Took nothing for granted—not even expert consensus or mainstream science.

8. Meta-Epistemic Awareness

Continuously reflected on how you were coming to know things.

Stayed aware of bias, false confidence, placebo effects, and confounding variables.

Understood the limitations of personal experience while still valuing it as a critical data source.

9. Psychological and Social Resilience

Tolerated mockery, rejection, and social pressure while maintaining your inquiry.

Was willing to go against the grain and be viewed as irrational or conspiratorial.

Protected epistemic integrity even when it came at great personal cost.

10. Open-Ended Inquiry

Refused to prematurely close the loop on any problem or settle for incomplete answers.

Maintained epistemic humility (i.e., knowing you might still be missing something).

Treated healing as an ongoing, dynamic process—not a fixed diagnosis or protocol.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by integral

[integral]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You're not the only person in the world that talks with or knows doctors.

There are definitely cases where this is true, but you are making quite wild and demonstrably false statements like "they don't have any knowledge about x y and z" and "they don't learn anything new after their basic training" (which is what exactly?) and "most of them are random people with bachelor degrees". Any critique of anything must start with a sober and grounded approach.

I'm still curious: what entrains the SCN?

Childish debate tactics? Knowing about light exposure doesn’t mean you can solve a chronic, debilitating sleep problem. Doctors may know x, y, z, but that doesn’t mean they can apply it systemically or show epistemic flexibility when standard knowledge fails, which it does all the time. When something falls through the cracks, it’s ignored or forgotten.

Simply socializing with doctors is meaningless if you’re not challenging their thinking. Most of the time, these conversations amount to intellectual posturing, data recitation without context or insight, divorced from real-world complexity.

Tell a doctor a drug made you sick, and they’ll often tell you you’re wrong, because your lived experience doesn’t match the data set they trust. But data dose not equal reality, the map is not the territory, and the map is corrupt. There are interpretation problems, publication biases, and financial conflicts of interest baked into the medical system. And at the end of the day, most doctors aren’t trained to solve complex, root-cause problems, they're trained to manage symptoms within institutional constraints.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, integral said:

Childish debate tactics? Knowing about light exposure doesn’t mean you can solve a chronic, debilitating sleep problem.

If you had been the "#1 sleep specialist in the world" (and you didn't just read off the first few sentences on the Wikipedia like I expected you might do), you would know that the SCN is entrained by not just light exposure but also other factors like meal times, physical activity, environmental cues like laying in bed and closing your eyes, hormone fluctuations, ambient temperature fluctuations, social interactions, and general arousal.

This is what you learn in the "basic training" of any medicine or psychology student (at least in my country for those who want to become a "medical doctor" or "clinical psychologist"). And if this "basic training" gives you an actually rather holistic picture of what can influence the circadian rhythm alone, it doesn't take much of an inferential jump to see how much of a more holistic picture (in terms of knowledge) they have of sleep and sleep problems in general.

But I do agree that it might be the case that the practical side of diagnosis and treatment can often seem like they push you down a simplistic path, but that's mostly by design. You of course have cost and time constraints, etc., but treatment also tends to be recursive: you try one thing and see if it helps (often the most obvious thing), and if it doesn't help, you go to the next thing.

And I also know that maybe the current common practice in most situations might not have caught up to the cutting edge that they're teaching to us kids in university and that it's still rather reductionistic and "give drugs and problem solved"; that's definitely true. But still, you said things that were factually incorrect.

 

1 hour ago, integral said:

Tell a doctor a drug made you sick, and they’ll often tell you you’re wrong, because your lived experience doesn’t match the data set they trust.

What kind of fucking evil doctors are you visiting? 😂

Edited 22 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Aaron p]

...me thinks integral speaks in overly broad and generalised terms with statements like "I'm the greatest ______ in the world" lol, and his comment about them not believing you if you directly tell them a medicine is making you sick...they would probably listen if it was direct .

But there's also truth lined heavily through what he's saying...

There was another situation where my grandfather who I think is about 80 years old started to have falls more frequently and he started landing on his face and back and really started to do himself damage. We had dinner and he told me that he thought he was dying but I was skeptical as his mother was fully mobile walking about until she was 95 or so. It took a massive stroke to put that woman down (my Irish relatives and blood is very very resilient lol). 

So after some discourse between me and my grandfather I figured that it might be something to do with the medication he was on by means of a not so lengthy process of self improvement styled logical deduction I conducted. 

Long story short I urged him to consult his doctor and firmly tell them that we think it's something to do with his medication. Turns out the doctor had him on some kind of drug that was making him extremely stupid and causing the falls. He stopped taking it and increased the dose of a different drug. I think I probably extended my grandfather's Life by about 15 years. 

The falls stopped, he regained his mental clarity and full psychological autonomy and has never felt as good in his recent life. I also found that the drug he was on was carcinogenic at certain doses and he did have to get a malignant tumor removed from his stomach recently. Overall now He's feeling great. 

Yeah. Dr's are extremely limited in certain ways. Really a powerful master life coach could be 100x more powerful in certain situations. I mean, the mental health services are fucked at this point like. The professionals in this remit are very unskilled in many counties (UK, USA etc). I had to do mostly all of the work to restore my own health. I'm just extremely lucky I have the might to be able to stragise and win.

Edited 21 hours ago by Aaron p