Check out this guy's transition from M to F

[Consept]

13 minutes ago, Hojo said:

If gender affirming surgery worked it would be in the 90s. Having a 40 percent reduction is a band aid that won't last. They still have 55 percent body dismorphia stress after maiming themselves. Thats not good thats bad.

I don't think you're understanding this study, it's not all or nothing, like you have stress or you don't have stress. Whatever their current stress level was let's say out of 10, 10 being the highest, all of them would be at different levels some will be at 5, some will be at 2, some will be at 10. The average reduction is 40% so no matter what level you were at, it would've reduced by 40% on average, if you were at 10 it would've gone down to 6, if it was 6 it would've gone down to 3.6 etc.

It doesn't mean that they still have 55% stress that doesn't make sense. Do you have any sources that say the reduction is only temporary? How did you come to that conclusion?

[Consept]

20 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Why not give them gender affirming therapy before cutting the genitals off?

They do that as far as I understand. Also I don't think you can have surgery under 18

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[Hojo]

@Consept Are they affirming their original gender or the one they think they are? If the latter then thats a worse issue.

[Hojo]

@Consept If I have a mental problem and then go through surgery to eliveate mental suffering and it gets rid of 40 percent of my suffering i didn't fix the problem i maimed myself because i thought that was the problem but it wasn't. If it was the problem my mental suffering would diasapear but it dosent cause its not the problem.. I only feel like 40 percent was eliminated because I feel beautiful and wanted and paid attention to now. Once that goes away the problem will come back and if it dosent get you attention or feel like you are wanted you will feel it did nothing for you but to increase your ego the same ego that convinces them to cut their genitals off.

The average should be over 80 or stop doing it because its not solving anything except temporary relief from shitting on yourself in your mind.

Keep in mind this is the complete version with surgery and gender affirming therapy. Its done and it only eliminated 45 percent on average. Thats bad.

Its only temporary because they are building their new ego on top of their old ego. If you understood identity you wouldn't have to read studies. If you dont deconstruct your old identity before the new one you still haven't healed all your trauma from when you were a man and its still there under the surface waiting patiently to attack.

Not only that but you are traumatizing the body. Your body still feels everything under surgery and it remebers.

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[Consept]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Consept If I have a mental problem and then go through surgery to eliveate mental suffering and it gets rid of 40 percent of my suffering i didn't fix the problem i maimed myself because i thought that was the problem but it wasn't. If it was the problem my mental suffering would diasapear but it dosent cause its not the problem.. I only feel like 40 percent was eliminated because I feel beautiful and wanted and paid attention to now. Once that goes away the problem will come back and if it dosent get you attention or feel like you are wanted you will feel it did nothing for you but to increase your ego the same ego that convinces them to cut their genitals off.

As I said, mental health, especially things like suicidal ideation, is not an all or nothing thing, if you're thinking about suicide everyday and therapy takes it down to once a week then obviously that's great progress. Most therapy is not going to cure mental health issues completely, it doesn't work like that, some people do therapy for trauma for years. A 40% reduction in mental health issues for someone would be considered an incredible improvement. 

Generally your post has lots of speculation and assumptions, do you have anything to back it up or it's just your belief? I can't really debate your beliefs if that is the case 

[Hojo]

@Consept They need to eat mushrooms not cut the penis off. 

My understanding come from psychedelics and understanding identity and the mind. Science wont tell you this with studies. They are mentally attacking themselves with their own mind and cave into thinking that cutting off the genitals will stop the mind attacking them. You can just stop doing it but no one will tell them that.

Mushrooms will force your mind to stop attacking you for a brief period and they can see what they are doing to themselves.

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[Consept]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Consept They need to eat mushrooms not cut the penis off. 

My understanding come from psychedelics and understanding identity and the mind. Science wont tell you this with studies. 

Ah right I got confused because you brought studies into it, but you're shifting the goal posts now that's fine. 

What I would care about is actual outcomes for people. If people are getting outcomes from the treatment they're getting who am I to say you shouldn't do that or have an opinion I gained from taking mushrooms to tell them it's a bandaid? I don't go around telling people that they shouldn't get nose jobs or liposuction or do extreme body modification, so why would it be my business to tell trans people what to do? Espeicially when you take into account that most of them are happier with their treatment?

If I have psychedelic trip that working is bullshit, should I go around attacking people for working? My thing has always been live and let live, but I respect you feel different, it's your choice 🙏🏽

[The Crocodile]

@Hojo Has it ever crossed your mind reality is bigger than you think it is?

Or that changing appearance might actually genuinely be what someone wants to do?

[Hojo]

@The Crocodile You can change appearance anytime you want. Changing appearance does not mean cut your own dick off! Put some fucking makeup on lose weight and dance around. Why do you have to traumatized yourself to feel good?

If you want to be beautiful be beautiful it has nothing to do with genitals.

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[The Crocodile]

@Hojo Most of them don't cut their dick off.

And in the tiny amount of cases that do it's probably not that big of a deal, or it's fine.

[Hojo]

@The Crocodile We are talking about people who cut their dick off right now.

[Hojo]

@Consept You should tell them not to do it. They hate themselves and you are saying thats okay essentially. I'm saying its not ok. If you are grotesque then sure but they aren't. They are beautiful but have warped view of themselves.

If your mom came up to you and said I'm ugly I need to change my face I'm sure you would tell your mother she is beautiful and you wouldn't see a problem with her face. Because there isn't its made up by them.

If your mom was horrible attack by a monkey and needed face replacement fine. But these people are not disfigured or ugly and you are treating them like they are by agreeing with them.

There is nothing wrong with their penis there is something else wrong in the mind. Cutting off the penis will not solve the problem in the mind.

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[Consept]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@Consept You should yell them not to do it. They hate themselves and you are saying thats okay essentially. I'm saying its not ok. If you are grotesque then sure but they aren't. They are beautiful but have warped view of themselves.

I probably wouldnt tell people what to do in this case, you can, I'm sure that will increase their mental health 

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[Hojo]

@Consept Ask the Kardashians how insecure they are. Once beauty goes the demon comes back and it will still be there after they die cause they didn't deal with it.

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[The Crocodile]

@Hojo Oh now you're bringing the kardashians into it? now that's just rich That's a different phenomenon. And to be clear you have no evidence in the person in the picture cut their dick off.

But about someone who cuts their dick off, I said, "It's fine," now quit peddling your fear-mongering and spiritual pretending or go into your own mind with it and stop trying to make it contagious and stop spreading it around like butter on toast.

[Salvijus]

I suspect the psychological reasons of wanting to change your gender is off aswell. Although I never had a chance to really look at what's going on in their heads. 

Edited January 31 by Salvijus

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

I suspect the psychological reasons of wanting to change your gender is off aswell. Although I haven't done much research in what's going on in their heads. 

trump supportin man

46 minutes ago, Hojo said:

My understanding come from psychedelics

your arrogance and delusion came from psychedelics.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, The Crocodile said:

trump supportin man

I support god

[Hojo]

@The Crocodile Please save useless insult for someone who care about your opinion.

I bring Kardashians into to show you that beauty is temporary for ego. If you can surpass it and see the beauty of reality it dosent matter what or who you are. If you are putting beauty on the self and the self only good luck.

 

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[The Crocodile]

@Hojo The kardashians are ugly

The person in the picture is not ugly.

You are projecting your own castration anxiety onto other people.