Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

53 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

If everything — including my past, identity, and body — is being imagined here and now, then it seems like that imagination should be reconfigurable, at least in a meaningful way.

It's tied to your life and identity.

If it reconfigured significantly, you'd be dead or insane.

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Yet my experience feels constrained. There’s continuity, causality, and accumulated effects. Patterns, habits, and physical states persist in ways that I can’t simply “re-imagine” out of existence. Reality doesn’t behave like a lucid dream — it feels structured and resistant.

So the question is:

If all of this is being imagined now, why does that imagination appear both fluid (in perception, interpretation, meaning) and yet rigid (in structure, consequences, and identity)?

To maintain your self and sanity.

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Is “no past” only meant in the sense that everything is accessed in the present, rather than implying that the past and its effects can actually be altered?

Nothing exists unless it is imagined.

The notion of a past has to be actively imagined for it to exist.

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And if imagination is happening at some deeper, unconscious level — what determines it, and why does it produce a reality that feels constrained rather than freely reconfigurable?

Imagination is happening at the physical level. The physical world is imaginary.

If the physical world was fluid you would feel insane and you could not survive.

We have mental hospitals full of people who can't survive by themselves without medication and 24/7 assistance. And they have only mild fluidity of mind relative to what is truly possible is the mind was more free.

You are taking for granted being human. You think this is just a given. But being human requires imagining that you're human every waking minute of the day. If that stopped you would cease to be human, which you would hate.

Survival shapes imagination to be very specialized and narrow.

You already know what dreams are like. You cannot live a human life within a dream because it is too fluid.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Rufus Du Sol 

You might know this one - but it's one of my favourites:

https://youtu.be/Tx9zMFodNtA?si=6HxlnW6ctWPBjc-W

They were great live 

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

They were great live 

They play in Vegas a lot.

[No1Here2c]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's tied to your life and identity.

If it reconfigured significantly, you'd be dead or insane.

To maintain your self and sanity.

Nothing exists unless it is imagined.

The notion of a past has to be actively imagined for it to exist.

Imagination is happening at the physical level. The physical world is imaginary.

If the physical world was fluid you would feel insane and you could not survive.

We have mental hospitals full of people who can't survive by themselves without medication and 24/7 assistance. And they have only mild fluidity of mind relative to what is truly possible is the mind was more free.

You are taking for granted being human. You think this is just a given. But being human requires imagining that you're human every waking minute of the day. If that stopped you would cease to be human, which you would hate.

Survival shapes imagination to be very specialized and narrow.

You already know what dreams are like. You cannot live a human life within a dream because it is too fluid.

Lots of depth here to be grasped.

How can I see how this applies directly to my experience at this very instance?

How may these words themselves reinforce the notion of humanness in my mind?

Is it so that I continue to be forced into the direction of safety, shallowness, fear-avoidance & deception?

[No1Here2c]

One of the blog posts Leo mentioned something along the line of this:

" Selfishness is too masterful a deceptionist in order to be subdued through force. In order to tackle selfishness requires strategy, technique and skill. "

I found this to be an important insight to be reminded of. So often it seems, I let the birds out of the cage in the cockpit of my mind and let them duel until death.

I must use words and thought to begin again reflecting thought back upon itself. Thought, often so busy point toward other things, rarely turns to itself. I must derive the understanding. Extraction shall be a careful process. Wouldn't want to make a mess.

Death be due by all of us eventually.

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[No1Here2c]

Doesnt God imagine beautiful forms so that he can chase after them?

God wanted to be able to experience the thrill of the hunt, so he imagined himself as something to chase after the pixie dust and sparkly objects which he also imagined. Attraction to them is part of the design. 

Wouldn't to put these all down mean that all of this material worlds has to go away? 

We do love it here when we are in tune. Wouldn't want it all to go away.

And even while unconsciously fumbling around with desire and mesmerization, insight could strike or it may lead to discoveries. 

Through the entire interacting process & system of unconsciousness, consciousness begins to recognize itself. This is not a flaw, this is what happens in a nondual world.

Consciousness is unconsciousness. Unconsciousness stumbling into itself enough for consciousness to spontaneously arise.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

How can I see how this applies directly to my experience at this very instance?

This very instance you look around the room and the room looks solid and stable, even though it is a hallucination. Because it is stable you feel sane and secure and you don't even notice its a hallucination. This is good for your survival.

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Wouldn't to put these all down mean that all of this material worlds has to go away? 

You understand what Buddha told you? That all of life is a rat race of suffering? To escape the rat race is the point of Buddhism. Remember?

Well, I am saying similar.

The material world is not the highest degree of Love.

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[No1Here2c]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This very instance you look around the room and the room looks solid and stable, even though it is a hallucination. Because it is stable you feel sane and secure and you don't even notice its a hallucination. This is good for your survival.

The survival itself is part of this hallucinatory mirage, no?

Why does the mirage reinforce itself in such a way?

Would all the colors and sounds dissappear if I suddenly saw that all of it was a hallucination?

I do conceptually understand the idea of hallucination & some of its implications. I have past experience which has developed an understanding in me of what hallucination is. 

The problem is that I take all of that & it just becomes part of my hallucination. It becomes reinforcement, rather than actual conscious use of my abilities.

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[No1Here2c]

9 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Would all the colors and sounds dissappear if I suddenly saw that all of it was a hallucination?

If I suddenly saw that everything was a hallucation it may feel quite literally as if the ground has been wrenched out from underneath my feet. I may feel like I am falling or floating or nowhere but also everywhere at the same time. I will most certainly be dead if that happened, but I dont believe colors and sounds would all disappear.

I would probably lose the ability to Navigate these colors and sounds. Although perhaps the vestigel remnants of what I thought I was will still have that capacity.

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[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

The survival itself is part of this hallucinatory mirage, no?

How are you gonna survive if you can't walk straight cause you can't even see straight?

Drink a bottle of tequilla and see how it affects your survival.

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Why does the mirage reinforce itself in such a way?

God is dreaming a Life.

That's what it means to have a Life.

You ARE a Life.

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Would all the colors and sounds dissappear if I suddenly saw that all of it was a hallucination?

No. Hallucinations have colors and qualities.

If you get drunk you still have colors and sounds, they are just distorted.

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[No1Here2c]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How are you gonna survive if you can't walk straight cause you can't even see straight?

Drink a bottle of tequilla and see how it affects your survival.

Hallucinations have colors and qualities.

If you get drunk you still have colors and sounds, they are just distorted.

Of course this is how that works. Alcohol is part of the hallucination, my body is part of the hallucination. The framework here is that I exist hallucinated to be material and so too does alcohol. The idea is that alcohol, a part of my survival hallucination, can alter/disrupt the survival within the hallucination and the hallucinatory content itself.

Hallucination is often that which actively keeps in place my entire sense of reality. My entire sense of being a physical creature in a solid stable world is a dream. I could open my front door expecting to walk outside into the front step only to be greeted by an expanse of endless clouds. Consciousness is fluid in this way. Does my mind keep it from being so.

What else is there than Hallucination?

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[Terell Kirby]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But being human requires imagining that you're human every waking minute of the day. If that stopped you would cease to be human, which you would hate.

Part of resisting letting go human identity is that when you do, the notion of other collapses.

The idea of one human relating to another is an illusion- you can never relate to anyone or anything outside of Yourself.

[No1Here2c]

11 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Part of resisting letting go human identity is that when you do, the notion of other collapses.

Ah yes that does make survival difficult. What is there to survive if there is no "i" and there is no "world out there"?

Colors are great, sounds are nice but those arent something to survive. That is what the mind does. The mind uses those very sensory experiences to trick itself.

The mind invents pointers and uses them to say:

"Hey look this color points to a void, this symbol points toward an empty spot, that sound designates that something should be here, ..."  

And so on and so forth. This space is covered with the sense of self and reality. This is done by splitting the colors & sounds apart. When the mind is actively doing this splitting apart process it feel as though I am human on planet earth sitting in a room with a certain story.

When the sense of self and reality collapse(frightening)

What is left is that pure emptiness which was covered over.

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